Reply to: Russia Fires Warning Shots at British Warship in Black Sea

[BR14]

Not quite, the British navel ship sailed close Sevastopol which is the home of the Russian Submarine Fleet. The navel base was leased from Ukraine since Ukraine independence. Even if Crimea was still under Ukraine control, that area would be an exclusion zone to all except Russia.

belly button boats then?
tosspot.

[Eirikur]

Not quite, the British navel ship sailed close Sevastopol which is the home of the Russian Submarine Fleet. The navel base was leased from Ukraine since Ukraine independence. Even if Crimea was still under Ukraine control, that area would be an exclusion zone to all except Russia.

Ukraine has withdrawn the lease, as Russia is not paying for it anymore and because of the illegal occupation, so yes quite

[AtW]

Legality was, is and will be very clear, and to make it crystal it was a modern warship

[Mordac]

As Craig Murray has commented:
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Murray's blog has more information.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...the-black-sea/

Craig Murray is a barking loonbat.

[lecyclist]

As Craig Murray has commented:
The legality of the British action is, at very best, moot. In realpolitik, it is an act of brinkmanship with a nuclear power and further effort to ramp up the new Cold War with Russia, to the benefit of the military, security services and armaments companies and the disbenefit of those who need more socially useful government spending. It is further an act of jingoist populism for the neo-liberal elite to distract the masses, as the billionaires’ incredible wealth continues to boom.

NATO will shortly commence a naval exercise in the Black Sea. As not all the member states of NATO are quite as unhinged as Johnson, it is to be hoped it will refrain from this kind of extra layer of provocation.

It's also stating the obvious to note that the "defensive" posture of NATO in Europe should be viewed through an Atlantic lens. US interest is not EU interest.



Murray's blog has more information.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...the-black-sea/

[Fraidycat]

Oh yes that old chestnut. Where is all the uprise and the fighting in Crimea about the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russians? I would have thought that it is upto people living in Crimea to decide which country they belong to? That's right, there was none because 65% of people living there are ethnic Russians.

And lets not forget the 2014 referendum:

"The official result was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation with an 83 percent voter turnout"

[AtW]

I now want to see the Battleship movies

Watch Skyline or even original Red Dawn, it’s more relevant here

[DoctorStrangelove]

Surely this is down to Bozo the Clown labouring under the delusion that he's W.S.C.

[vetran]

Oh yes that old chestnut. Where is all the uprise and the fighting in Crimea about the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russians? I would have thought that it is upto people living in Crimea to decide which country they belong to? That's right, there was none because 65% of people living there are ethnic Russians.

Yep because Vlad the invader is far more cuddly than Uncle Joe or his namesake was.

You understand the USSR managed to subjugate ~ 300 million people for decades?

Read this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago

and this


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Da...van_Denisovich

[ladymuck]

I now want to see the Battleship movies

[AtW]

That only applies to large battleships and aircraft carriers (unless that has been changed) and any NATO warship below that size can be there with the permission of Turkey (which is a necessity as they have to travel via Turkish waters).

Paddy knows he was wrong about the Montreux Convention, which is why he deflected to "submarine base" as if it mattered and as if it was nuclear strategic base instead of puny diesel subs base that are unnecessary in rather shallow Black Sea...

[Mordac]

Under the Montreux Convention, British warships should not be in the Black Sea.

That only applies to large battleships and aircraft carriers (unless that has been changed) and any NATO warship below that size can be there with the permission of Turkey (which is a necessity as they have to travel via Turkish waters).

[LondonManc]

[DonaldJTrump]

It's really a Trade Mission disguised as posturing

https://www.rt.com/russia/527280-dea...y-naval-bases/

[AtW]

Not quite, the British navel ship sailed close Sevastopol which is the home of the Russian Submarine Fleet. The navel base was leased from Ukraine since Ukraine independence. Even if Crimea was still under Ukraine control, that area would be an exclusion zone to all except Russia

False also and has nothing to do with the Turkish treaty that governs how many non-Black Sea military ships can be there, at the time of signing there were no submarines so no such provisions in that treaty. In any case after Russian aggression Ukraine denounced lease agreement - it’s null and void.