Reporting accountants for IR35 breaches

[pr1]

IR35 doesn't apply because:

1. There's no intermediary

Er... that'll do. There's lots of other reasons, but if an accountant were to work as a contractor for a large company, then they would indeed be affected by IR35.

OP said "an accountant or lawyer who sets up as a small business or firm" - let's assume a limited company, i.e. an intermediary

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

Is that true? what about 999 companies? or 100? or 1? where is the line where IR35 would apply?

OP doesn't seem very good at making their point but I appreciate the point they are trying to make

In all seriousness, as far as i am aware, the amount of companies the PSC has doesn't make them a MSP. The requirements to become a MSP is that they have a minimum of 80 consultants working for the company and they are FCSA registered. I don't see why it is so unreasonable to ask accountants themselves to be held to account for the same accountancy rules their industry helped created, some might say it is only fair. If they want to create their own accountancy firm, then they should have to deal with the same barriers to entry that IT consultants now have to deal with.

[NotAllThere]

Is that true? what about 999 companies? or 100? or 1? where is the line where IR35 would apply?

IR35 doesn't apply to the vast majority of accountants because:

1. There's no intermediary

Er... that'll do. There's lots of other reasons, but if an accountant were to work as a contractor for a large company, then they would indeed be affected by IR35. That's obvious. In the same way as luvvies contracting to the BBC, or lawyers contracting to an NHS trust. Then they would have to apply the tests same as anyone else.

The problem with the OP's posts are that he's being utterly unclear as to exactly who he is targetting, and why they're affected by IR35.

The other problem is that he is suspiciously like other another troll who loves to come to the professional forums and try to stir things up.

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

Is that true? what about 999 companies? or 100? or 1? where is the line where IR35 would apply?

OP doesn't seem very good at making their point but I appreciate the point they are trying to make

IR35 only applies to the IT industry it seems...

[pr1]

Well, you just have to be patient, especially as you're posting such unintelligible nonsense. If your accountant is providing services to 1000 individuals/small companies, IR35 doesn't apply. What point exactly are you

Is that true? what about 999 companies? or 100? or 1? where is the line where IR35 would apply?

OP doesn't seem very good at making their point but I appreciate the point they are trying to make

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

Well, you just have to be patient, especially as you're posting such unintelligible nonsense. If your accountant is providing services to 1000 individuals/small companies, IR35 doesn't apply. What point exactly are you

My point is that there are small accountancies and law firms that fit the criteria of IR35 and we should report them. Accountants and Lawyers think they are exempt from IR35 and they are not.

[ladymuck]

Shame we can't move this to general

[NotAllThere]

Would be great if you approve my comment

Well, you just have to be patient, especially as you're posting such unintelligible nonsense. If your accountant is providing services to 1000 individuals/small companies, IR35 doesn't apply. What point exactly are you

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

Would be great if you approve my comment

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

Good grief, what makes you think that’s illegal?

It’s not sensible, and agents won’t select you if you try it but it’s not illegal.

If the accountant's limited company is not FCSA registered with 80 accountants hired, then they are a PSC and not a MSP and should be paid through an umbrella company. Does IR35 not apply to accountants and lawyers?

[cojak]

If an accountant or lawyer sets up a small businesses or small legal firm and works as a consultant to clients that would be a breach of ir35. They should be instead employed through an umbrella company and pay PAYE tax or the client should hire them as an employee.

Good grief, what makes you think that’s illegal?

It’s not sensible, and agents won’t select you if you try it, but provided you pay the right tax it’s not illegal.

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

This post makes no sense. Why should accountants be responsible for IR35 breaches?

This is stupid, unless you mean agents.

If an accountant or lawyer sets up a small businesses or small legal firm and works as a consultant to clients that would be a breach of ir35. They should be instead employed through an umbrella company and pay PAYE tax or the client should hire them as an employee.

[northernladuk]

When we have people like this and those pillocks starting the petitions we know we are screwed. Why is it the clueless lot seem to want to make the most noise?

[cojak]

This post makes no sense. Why should accountants be responsible for IR35 breaches?

This is stupid, unless you mean agents.

[IR35equalshateoflittleguy]

One of my hobbies is reporting accountants for IR35 breaches. Anyone have any good stories on how they reported a small business accountant for IR35 breaches?