Reply to: Ooops Covid 19 edition part 1

[d000hg]

Read the BMJ article, covid-19 is deadlier than measles even though measles is more contagious.

I did take the time to read it, it was pretty inconclusive. But did cite an outbreak in a non-vaccinated group with substantially higher mortality rate than Covid. The other thing everyone seems to forget is that 'dangerous' does not simply mean 'chance of death' but chance of serious and/or life-changing illness.

On transmissibility, we have pretty good data for Covid since it's a brand new disease which has spread under close scrutiny of modern science. I am fairly sure I recall early on in the pandemic, when they first started talking about 'R' that Covid was compared to diseases such as measles. Certainly both seem very easy to pass on.


EDIT: just saw one claim that COVID R0 is closer to 6! But far far lower than measles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

[Paddy]

What is?

Read the BMJ article, covid-19 is deadlier than measles even though measles is more contagious.

[AtW]

Measles is not a problem because of vaccinations, thank feck there was no Interwebs back then.

[SueEllen]

What is?

Which virus is more contagious.

They won't actually be able to work it out until after the pandemic has ended. That's because testing and measures to contain Covid varies in different countries around the world.

[d000hg]

Fake news
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr

What is?

[d000hg]

And being Englanx you can get a crowd joining you with banners and they may sit down outside the pub to get on the national news....

Oh wait a bill is going through to prevent it if it causes "alarm and distress" to someone...

Like a crowd of drunken thugs waving their Stella cans around, yes good.

[Paddy]

Singling out Covid seems dodgy though. Measles is far more dangerous and incredibly infectious.

I'm curious how this will play out. I have no issue lining up when it's eventually my turn, but if my local insists on seeing some sort of certificate I may refuse on principle. Which would be a real shame.

Fake news
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4509/rr

[AtW]

if my local insists on seeing some sort of certificate I may refuse on principle. Which would be a real shame.

But that’s fine - keeps people inside pub safe from your inane drivel...

[SueEllen]

Singling out Covid seems dodgy though. Measles is far more dangerous and incredibly infectious.

I'm curious how this will play out. I have no issue lining up when it's eventually my turn, but if my local insists on seeing some sort of certificate I may refuse on principle. Which would be a real shame.

And being Englanx you can get a crowd joining you with banners and they may sit down outside the pub to get on the national news....

Oh wait a bill is going through to prevent it if it causes "alarm and distress" to someone...

[vetran]

but if my local insists on seeing some sort of certificate I may refuse on principle. Which would be a real shame.

not for the other punters!

[d000hg]

I agree, but to make a parallel with clothes, the wearing of clothes is not mandatory. But anyone who chooses never to wear them must accept that if they venture out of their dwelling into a public place then they can be nicked for indecent exposure!

Same goes for the Covid vaccine. By all means keep it optional, but that doesn't mean idiots who decline the chance to have it have a right to work with others in an office or hospital or to enter any public place such as a shop or restaurant or any form of public transport.

Singling out Covid seems dodgy though. Measles is far more dangerous and incredibly infectious.

I'm curious how this will play out. I have no issue lining up when it's eventually my turn, but if my local insists on seeing some sort of certificate I may refuse on principle. Which would be a real shame.

[SueEllen]

So decrees Emperor AtW, and all must obey!

But your highness, what about non-vaccinated people in public transport, or enclosed public places such as shops?

We can't stop them going around.

However if it is made harder for them to travel aboard and get a new job the number will go down.

[OwlHoot]

No vaccine == no public facing job, that’s how it’s going to be

So decrees Emperor AtW, and all must obey!

But your highness, what about non-vaccinated people in public transport, or enclosed public places such as shops?

[AtW]

No vaccine == no public facing job, that’s how it’s going to be

[OwlHoot]

Vaccines should never be mandatory. ..

I agree, but to make a parallel with clothes, the wearing of clothes is not mandatory. But anyone who chooses never to wear them must accept that if they venture out of their dwelling into a public place then they can be nicked for indecent exposure!

Same goes for the Covid vaccine. By all means keep it optional, but that doesn't mean idiots who decline the chance to have it have a right to work with others in an office or hospital or to enter any public place such as a shop or restaurant or any form of public transport.