Reply to: Employers could insist all staff get vaccinated under health and safety law

[OwlHoot]

.. and will have worse side-effects to vaccination on average than those who haven't caught the virus.

Really? How odd, I'd have thought it was the opposite.

But then if side effects are a manfestation of the body's immune system kicking in more promptly, I suppose it does make sense.

[SueEllen]

Just do them later.

They have to wait a minimum of 30 days before being vaccinated and will have worse side-effects to vaccination on average than those who haven't caught the virus.

[Lance]

But is there any point in vaccinating those who have already copped a dose and recovered? It just means fewer vaccines for those who haven't.

Just do them later.

[BR14]

She may have a sausage fixation

[AtW]

He can't be worst than Boris unless you are a squirrel....

worse

[OwlHoot]

Mandatory vaccination could be done if there was the political will to do it.

But is there any point in vaccinating those who have already copped a dose and recovered? It just means fewer vaccines for those who haven't.

[SueEllen]

AtW for PM!

He can't be worst than Boris unless you are a squirrel....

[BrilloPad]

No brainer for businesses with customer facing staff - pubs, shops etc - should be legally required to have all needed vaccinations if say can see daily people from more than X households: no jab == no job in cases like this.

AtW for PM!

[BrilloPad]

I was trying to remember which ones. I was thinking Hep A too for some countries?

Thats just Scotland.

[Lance]

There is more with certain conditions in the CEV group.

Mandatory is not the way forward, would you be happy with people being restrained to do it? And I think most people would be reluctant to give it too.

Persuasion is the best option and if other countries and airlines insist, then that will eventually get most done. Also there is anecdotal evidence that if peers have it more reluctant people will get it, peer pressure is a big influence on behavioral patterns.

Yes. Yes I would. It's about public health not individual freedom.
I would start with anyone refusing a vaccine as them opting out of NHS treatment.
Same with organ donations. When you're dead you become the property of the NHS.

Allowing the opt out of NHS is me being a libertarian.

[AtW]

No brainer for businesses with customer facing staff - pubs, shops etc - should be legally required to have all needed vaccinations if say can see daily people from more than X households: no jab == no job in cases like this.

[vetran]

What if a whole country has a completely shot healthcare system? Just ban all traffic and leave them to it?

That's a bit mean on EU citizens...

[some guy some where]

I suspect its a legal & HR nightmare most employers will stay well clear of..

Whilst this might be true for other vaccines, one of the problem with the covid vaccines is they have only been authorized for emergency use. Whilst the government can shield itself from liability though legislation - you're limited to only being able to claim upto £120k if it seriously harms you.

For business have a different problem, if you tell someone they must take the vaccines or be fired, you could then held liable for any harm caused by it. Interestingly its probably less of a problem advertising that you must be vaccinated to apply for a position, but then that could also be considered indirect disability discrimination, as some people due to medical conditions / allergies would not be able to have the vaccine. Add to that any court cases would probably end up being heard 2/3 years in the future when the narrative around covid will have changed...

[ladymuck]

However, if everyone who can have it, has it, then those that can't (and I don't believe its huge swathes) are less likely to come into contact with Covid. Personally I think the fact that the vaccine reduces transmission makes it a moral imperative to have it if offered. Public pressure will force the issue, as people won't enter into places or vehicles (esp. aeroplanes) unless safe, SAGA are already offering cruises to those that have had the jab.. Those that can't have it should be issued with an exemption certificate to help prevent abuse.

What if a whole country has a completely shot healthcare system? Just ban all traffic and leave them to it?

[ladymuck]

Yellow fever is one where some countries e.g. Ghana, South Africa require non-residents/passport holders to prove that they have had it.

I remember this for variety of reasons. One of them is because a South African anti-vaxxer rung up and said you didn't have to prove you had Yellow fever. The presenter pointed out that she had a SA passport....

I was trying to remember which ones. I was thinking Hep A too for some countries?