Reply to: In America, if you don't take the Covid-19 vaccine you will be fired

[Zigenare]

FOAtW

[AtW]

So, you started off by saying someone was wrong,

They are wrong

then you changed it to they are wrong because the answer could be something different

They are wrong again because it's known that vaccines in principle CAN prevent desease/spread of viruses (measles) _and_ available evidence for mRNA Covid vaccines strongly suggests they also do it, but not known to what degree yet. We do know a fair few things from Stage 3 and that can be used to infer other stuff.

and now you're on to they are wrong but we don't have conclusive evidence yet due to lack of testing, ...but your theory is that they must still be wrong.

We don't have conclusive evidence as to what %-tage of cases spread is reduced, that requires time, but we have evidence vaccine has 95% efficacy and based on what is known about how vaccines work that strongly suggests neutralising anti-bodies prevented spread of the virus, but CEO of Pfizer won't give anything other than he thinks it's probably at least 50% spread preventing.

What's the evidence that person has that vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna) does NOT prevent spread (in %-tage of cases)?
What's the evidence that person has that vaccine (Pfizer/Moderna) does NOT prevent Covid (in %-tage of cases)?

It's like argueing with cretins today on here

[WTFH]

Phase 3 did not run long enough to have definitive answers to those questions, however given current preliminary results there is no basis to claim that -

a) vaccine does NOT prevent contracting Covid
b) vaccine does NOT prevent virus from being spread

In fact available evidence strongly suggests that Pfizer/Moderna are actually achieving those objective to a very high degree: that's is expected with very high 95% efficacy, but nobody can say to what degree (ie 50% don't spread virus or 70% or maybe 90%).

So, you started off by saying someone was wrong,
then you changed it to they are wrong because the answer could be something different
and now you're on to they are wrong but we don't have conclusive evidence yet due to lack of testing,
...but your theory is that they must still be wrong.

[AtW]

I would agree with you if it weren't for you confusing the word "can" with "will" and the words "appears to be" with "is"

Phase 3 did not run long enough to have definitive answers to those questions, however given current preliminary results there is no basis to claim that -

a) vaccine does NOT prevent contracting Covid
b) vaccine does NOT prevent virus from being spread

In fact available evidence strongly suggests that Pfizer/Moderna are actually achieving those objective to a very high degree: that's is expected with very high 95% efficacy, but nobody can say to what degree (ie 50% don't spread virus or 70% or maybe 90%).

I've read that it will take another year to get definitive answers to those questions with %-tages attached.

[AtW]

What will happen in the UK is that Govt will vaccinate as many most vulnerable age groups + health pros, then allow the virus to rip through society so those who are in riskier groups but don't want vaccine will have pretty fecking hard time avoid contracting the virus, and when they do it will be blamed on their own decision to avoid vaccination.

You've heard it on here first...

[WTFH]

Yes, and that can prevent both -

1. Contracting the desease (Covid) - appears to be the case in both Pfizer/Moderna, plus reduces severity in those who did contract it
2. Spreading the virus (thanks to neutralising anti-bodies) - appears to be the case (in estimated at least 50% of cases, by CEO of Pfizer), but much longer observation needed to be sure of that.

So on the basis of that his statements are false.

I would agree with you if it weren't for you confusing the word "can" with "will" and the words "appears to be" with "is"

[AtW]

Vaccines train the immune system so it can fight against a virus.

Yes, and that can prevent both -

1. Contracting the desease (Covid) - appears to be the case in both Pfizer/Moderna, plus reduces severity in those who did contract it, contracting the virus isn't the issue here since it's assumed that it will be contracted for vaccine to have work in the first place, it's the desease that's the problem, not virus per se.

2. Spreading the virus (thanks to neutralising anti-bodies) - appears to be the case (in estimated at least 50% of cases, by CEO of Pfizer), but much longer observation needed to be sure of that.

So on the basis of that his statements are false.

[WTFH]

And you know that because you are the person in charge of both Pfizer and Moderna trials?

No, I'd say he knows that because he's smarter than you.

Vaccines train the immune system so it can fight against a virus.

[AtW]

Incorrect, the vaccine doesnt stop you contracting it, nor spreading it.

And you know that because you are the person in charge of both Pfizer and Moderna trials?

[WTFH]

And this very important information is being hidden from everybody, why??

No it's not, but it appears the stupid aren't listening or interested in listening.

The media highlights are that this vaccine will kill the virus and stop it in its tracks.

Can you please provide evidence in the media to back this up?

[fullyautomatix]

Incorrect, the vaccine doesnt stop you contracting it, nor spreading it. It stops the more severe symptoms of COVID from happening.

And this very important information is being hidden from everybody, why??

The media highlights are that this vaccine will kill the virus and stop it in its tracks.

[Hanbanthankyoumam]

I agree that employers should be allowed to fire those who refuse vaccination. The non-vaxed employee is a health risk.

Incorrect, the vaccine doesnt stop you contracting it, nor spreading it. It stops the more severe symptoms of COVID from happening.

[eek]

Covid vaccine: Can you be fired if you refuse to take it?



Will be a good IR35 indicator in the UK....

Equally in the US you could be fired by other firms if you do take it

[AtW]

12 months since it started and there are still no proven to be effective therapeutics to cure people if they are infected, without mass vaccinations we will have current tulip and economy will be ruined for good (even for those lucky enough to have WFH)

[Old Greg]

Ah, the Land Of The Free...

Land of the Free indeed. Americans cherish the open economy Fire-at-will employment structures. Only communists like you would try to restrain the liberty of businesses.