Gove suggests you need a couple to start on.

[AtW]

In London £50. Where I live, £5.

Swindon that bad?

[_V_]

What a wonderful idea - actually set a minimum value of a permitted meal rather than put BS terms like "substantial" that are open to interpretation

In London £50. Where you live, £5.

[AtW]

In Ireland they set a minimum price of €9 (eating out is more expensive here) for a substantial meal.

What a wonderful idea - actually set a minimum value of a permitted meal rather than put BS terms like "substantial" that are open to interpretation

[Whorty]

FFS, what's happened to this country? Going down the pan day after day. When did we forget our culture? Remember peeps, eatin' is cheatin'!!! This is what our fathers* fought 2 world wars for






* well, not my father, but I'm sure someones did.

[ladymuck]

IIRC restaurants have (or used to have) alcohol licences that restrict them to selling alcohol with a meal. I'm guessing that the definition of a meal has been tested. In Ireland they set a minimum price of €9 (eating out is more expensive here) for a substantial meal.

In Hide, you can't have a drink in the downstairs bar without having something to eat (unless you've got a table booked for dinner and are just having a pre-prandial) as their license requires them to serve food with all drinks. However, they just serve up some lovely little cheese ball things for free and have a nibbles menu you can order from if you want more.

[ladymuck]

Nothing beats going out and having a chef cook you a substantial meal.

Almost homeopathic levels of beef in that.

However, when I was a kid that was exactly the sort of functionality I wanted out of a dolls' house. I was sorely disappointed.

[Old Greg]

IIRC restaurants have (or used to have) alcohol licences that restrict them to selling alcohol with a meal. I'm guessing that the definition of a meal has been tested. In Ireland they set a minimum price of €9 (eating out is more expensive here) for a substantial meal.

[_V_]

Nothing beats going out and having a chef cook you a substantial meal.

[ladymuck]

I think using vague language (the OED defines 'substantial' as, among other things, 'having substance') is very deliberate. You could legally order a pint with a packet of crisps, but it's open to interpretation. I'm sure it's so they can claim to have no blood on their hands when there are hardly any pubs left.

In Portugal they had a rule about alcohol being served with food after 8pm. As they have a small plates, tapas-style food culture, a bowl of olives or crisps is sufficient

[DaveB]

Coronavirus UK tiers: Michael Gove wades into scotch egg 'substantial meal' row | Daily Mail Online



Considering how many MPs are ex lawyers why are they so bad at drafting laws?

I think that explains it.

[Mordac]

Coronavirus UK tiers: Michael Gove wades into scotch egg 'substantial meal' row | Daily Mail Online



Considering how many MPs are ex lawyers why are they so bad at drafting laws?

Landlords accuse Government of providing 'no clarity' on substantial meal rule

I think using vague language (the OED defines 'substantial' as, among other things, 'having substance') is very deliberate. You could legally order a pint with a packet of crisps, but it's open to interpretation. I'm sure it's so they can claim to have no blood on their hands when there are hardly any pubs left.

[AtW]

Considering how many MPs are ex lawyers why are they so bad at drafting laws?

They are very good at drafting laws to make sure important people (not you or me) are unaffected by negative changes

[vetran]

Coronavirus UK tiers: Michael Gove wades into scotch egg 'substantial meal' row | Daily Mail Online

It's no YOLK! Michael Gove wades into scotch egg row by claiming 'a couple' of them count as a 'starter' and NOT a 'substantial meal'... leaving pub goers asking: Do I need to eat THREE?

• Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove says two scotch eggs would be 'a starter'
• Environment Secretary George Eustice said yesterday one is a substantial meal
• People going into tier two must have 'substantial meal' to allow them to buy pint
• Landlords accuse Government of providing 'no clarity' on substantial meal rule

Considering how many MPs are ex lawyers why are they so bad at drafting laws?