Reply to: Social care tax

[DoctorStrangelove]

Maybe Tories need to dig out the last Lib Dems manifesto which was fully costed for ideas.

You don't think that Bozo has the stamina to read that, surely?

If a paper is longer than half a page he gets palpitations.

[SueEllen]

Revealed: NHS could take over social care, swelling budget to GBP150bn | NHS | The Guardian

Neat new way to create new taxes without breaking manifesto lies

It makes sense.

They also need to tax the entire adult population for it otherwise they will soon find their aren't enough 40 year olds to pay for an increased number of 85 year olds social care, triple locked pensions and health care.

Maybe Tories need to dig out the last Lib Dems manifesto which was fully costed for ideas.

[AtW]

It's not good to separate them I agree. Ireland (RoI and NI) include social care within their health services. Not that these structural differences eliminate all problems.

Revealed: NHS could take over social care, swelling budget to GBP150bn | NHS | The Guardian

Neat new way to create new taxes without breaking manifesto lies

[Old Greg]

Hmm, it's a grey area - NHS look after 'medical care' whilst council look after 'social care' but they both argue what constitutes 'medical' vs 'social'.

It's not good to separate them I agree. Ireland (RoI and NI) include social care within their health services. Not that these structural differences eliminate all problems.

[escapeUK]

They do indeed look at all assets over £22k, including your home (unless you joint own with a husband/wife).

So, if you've never saved and had a low paying job and hence paid little tax over the years you have full support. If you have saved for your future and paid high rate tax for decades but become ill through no fault of your own then you get nothing. Hardly seems equitable, and is hardly conducive to encouraging people to save for a rainy day.

Its never been clearer that keeping savings in ways that can be linked to you, is incredibly stupid. Whether it be gold, crypto or even cash somewhere, these are the ways to make sure the system does not take as much as it can from you, while giving you nothing when its your turn.

[elsergiovolador]

People should have means to start a family and give good upbringing to their children so when they get old, their children will have enough money to rent a carer or provide care in different ways.
This extra tax will make people poorer and add more hardship, some may even decide to not start family or when they do they will not have time for children as they will have to work extra hours to make ends meet.
If you ask question who profits from this, then there is your answer who might be lobbying for that.
I don't think government wants to help. It is just an opportunity to make extra money.

[Whorty]

Generally the NHS is right here. Social care is the responsibility of local authorities.

Hmm, it's a grey area - NHS look after 'medical care' whilst council look after 'social care' but they both argue what constitutes 'medical' vs 'social'.

[Whorty]

Don't they take all your assets (and recent disposals) in exchange for this local authority "care"?

One would have thought NICs would take care of care, nevermind all that income tax, inheritance tax, stamp duty etc

They do indeed look at all assets over £22k, including your home (unless you joint own with a husband/wife).

So, if you've never saved and had a low paying job and hence paid little tax over the years you have full support. If you have saved for your future and paid high rate tax for decades but become ill through no fault of your own then you get nothing. Hardly seems equitable, and is hardly conducive to encouraging people to save for a rainy day.

[Paralytic]

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[ladymuck]

It'll pay for care needs today, not tomorrow's. Same as NIC (used to) pay for pension needs today and not the future.

I absolutely detest all this tinkering around the edges of the tax laws. Chuck the whole effing lot out and start anew. There will be winners and loser, yes, but if it's clear and simple to understand how much tax you're paying, when and why then that's got to be a better way?

[minestrone]

Tory cuts to the central government grant to local authorities is what took care of social care.

OK, ill bite.

Pick a local authority.

[Old Greg]

Don't they take all your assets (and recent disposals) in exchange for this local authority "care"?

One would have thought NICs would take care of care, nevermind all that income tax, inheritance tax, stamp duty etc

Tory cuts to the central government grant to local authorities is what took care of social care.

[AtW]

Generally the NHS is right here. Social care is the responsibility of local authorities.

Don't they take all your assets (and recent disposals) in exchange for this local authority "care"?

One would have thought NICs would take care of care, nevermind all that income tax, inheritance tax, stamp duty etc

[Old Greg]

Not just old age care, but care for anyone who needs it e.g. disabled too. Care is expensive, and even if the person needs 24/7 help there is very little available. Councils and social services don't want to know, and the NHS just say it's not their responsibility.

Generally the NHS is right here. Social care is the responsibility of local authorities.

[minestrone]

I would not have an issue with inheritance tax if I knew the 'next generation' was the progeny of my parent's generation.

Seeing as you can rock up at Dover with a prayer mat these days and get 'in' i'm making sure my money stays in the family.