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  • NotAllThere
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    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    [IMG]Trump goes big on "fentanyl is a national emergency" in 2017 and the deaths go down.
    That's because he's enabled it to be available legally more readily.

    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    Scottish drug deaths have tracked this almost exactly...
    I blame Obama.

    Originally posted by rogerfederer View Post
    One of the reasons I hate you is that you are too thick to dig deeper into anything
    Another reason is because you're too thick not to bite.

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  • minestrone
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    "dont go to the moon whitey"

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  • rogerfederer
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    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    You don't have a formal tertiary mathematical degree?
    Why would I? I charge £1k/day average to know how to hire the correct team to attain the necessary result for clients. The above conclusions aren't my own workings, the workings were completed at NRS by a team of contractors a long time ago.

    This is why is exercises me when some generic alchy posts a graph containing minimal detail and tries to squeeze skewed unfactual points out of it.

    TLR - deaths were postponed from the 2000s are, as a result, those 40 to 50 somethings are now dying, having had their drug fueled life extended.

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  • minestrone
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  • minestrone
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    Originally posted by rogerfederer View Post
    I worked at NRS many years ago when the infrastructure strategy moved to the beginnings of Cloud. The team had to programmatically add more details to older records to incorporate further information on the cause of death, all causes of death. The reason NRS is producing better stats for covid19 now is because more advanced metrics were recognised as necessary a decade ago and action taken.

    On the other hand: I am truly gutted some random internet idiot won't see a valid explanatory post of mine anymore.
    You don't have a formal tertiary mathematical degree?

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  • rogerfederer
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    Originally posted by DoctorStrangelove View Post
    Pot.

    Kettle.

    Black.

    Ignore list.

    I worked at NRS many years ago when the infrastructure strategy moved to the beginnings of Cloud. The team had to programmatically add more details to older records to incorporate further information on the cause of death, all causes of death. The reason NRS is producing better stats for covid19 now is because more advanced metrics were recognised as necessary a decade ago and action taken.

    On the other hand: I am truly gutted some random internet idiot won't see a valid explanatory post of mine anymore.

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  • minestrone
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    Tom petty is a grade A tit. But prince has a more elevated and respected battuliptery.

    "And yet we're sending people to the moon"

    Nobody was 'sent to the moon' for a decade.

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  • DoctorStrangelove
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    Originally posted by rogerfederer View Post
    One of the reasons I hate you is that you are too thick to dig deeper into anything; you're a simpleton.
    Pot.

    Kettle.

    Black.

    Ignore list.

    With shades of our dear friend SAS.
    Last edited by DoctorStrangelove; 16 June 2020, 09:44.

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  • rogerfederer
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    One of the reasons I hate you is that you are too thick to dig deeper into anything; you're a simpleton.

    Drug deaths can be from various causes and by different age groups and other demographic properties.

    Scottish drug deaths are mainly in the 'hardcore super-user' long term drug addicts whose death was postponed due to major action fifteen years ago. The way in which a death was categorised as being from 'drug overdose' also changed, as many deaths up until 2014 were being classed as 'death by misadventure'.

    To expand: if someone dies of alcoholism then, up until recently, their death was more often than not classified as 'death by misadventure'. It's fairer to say that liver failure may have killed them but their alcoholism was the true cause.

    Back to illegal drugs: The stats now capture much more detail and so a larger group of deaths are now noted by NRS. Go check the age of the drug users dying the last few years and you'll see the majority are over the age of 45. In the 90's and 00's they were dropping like flies but now see more medical staff, needle exchange programmes and doctors, so they live longer.

    Rather than just trust me, which you won't anyway, why don't you annotate the above and contact the National Records for Scotland using a Freedom of Information Request form to confirm the above for yourself? Who knows, you might even learn something in the process for once.

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  • fullyautomatix
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    There was a documentary by Louis Theroux on Fentanyl deaths in US. It was pretty grim. Its known as an elephant tranquilliser and mainly smuggled out of China, mixed with heroin and sold in streets. Consumers do not know the contamination. In one incident, a dealer breezed through a neighbourhood leaving behind scores of overdoses. Emergency workers always carry an antidote and saved multiple lives every day by just administering the injections.

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  • minestrone
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    Tom Petty Died From Accidental Drug Overdose Involving Opioids, Coroner Says - The New York Times

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  • minestrone
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    Originally posted by ladymuck View Post
    And this affects the UK, how?



    Prince had ‘exceedingly high’ level of fentanyl in body when he died | Prince | The Guardian

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by WTFH View Post
    It’s not that strange if you join the dots:
    Need treatment
    Can’t afford private health care
    Take pain killers.

    Don't you ever get fed up of being wrong? Try doing some research.

    Fentanyl | Drug Overdose | CDC Injury Center


    It is prescribed in the form of transdermal patches or lozenges and can be diverted for misuse and abuse in the United States.
    However, most recent cases of fentanyl-related harm, overdose, and death in the U.S. are linked to illegally made fentanyl.2 It is sold through illegal drug markets for its heroin-like effect. It is often mixed with heroin and/or cocaine as a combination product—with or without the user’s knowledge—to increase its euphoric effects.
    As always people will shove almost any crap down their throat to get high.

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  • minestrone
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    It affects Scotland so we are all paying for it.
    So maybe there is a substantial genetic population in the US that track the Scottish numbers? Is that what you are saying?

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