Reply to: Real UK death rate is much larger than official figures

[WTFH]

Anything to do with Movianto: Revealed: Private firm running UK PPE stockpile was sold in middle of pandemic | World news | The Guardian

No, that's a different shambles.

[shaunbhoy]

I typed some words. As usual nothing that made any sort of point though.

ftfy

[elsergiovolador]

Yes its all a plot hatched by big pharma.

There is no plot, it's business as usual.

[darmstadt]

Anything to do with Movianto: Revealed: Private firm running UK PPE stockpile was sold in middle of pandemic | World news | The Guardian

[sasguru]

Not directly.
Well, not at all, unless you think that the sole organisation they manage and run is NHSSC, and that organisation is the one that (under the advice from the company that manages and runs them) considers cost savings to mean "don't buy locally", "restrict trade", "extort suppliers" and "force your sole customer to buy through you".
So, no, they aren't responsible at all. They are only responsible to the people who appointed them and their shareholders.


Maybe. Are you implying it's a corrupt way for the health secretary to take money from the NHS but say he's doing them a favour?


Simple, you're a limited company with shareholders and need to pay your staff and shareholders by making profits. The fact that those profits come directly from the NHS and then get funnelled into HMG is irrelevant.

Jeez. I knew the NHS was badly managed but not to this level.

[WTFH]

Are they the ones responsible for PPE?

Not directly.
Well, not at all, unless you think that the sole organisation they manage and run is NHSSC, and that organisation is the one that (under the advice from the company that manages and runs them) considers cost savings to mean "don't buy locally", "restrict trade", "extort suppliers" and "force your sole customer to buy through you".
So, no, they aren't responsible at all. They are only responsible to the people who appointed them and their shareholders.

And doesn't Mr. Sahota report directly to Matt Hancock as he's appointed by him?

Maybe. Are you implying it's a corrupt way for the health secretary to take money from the NHS but say he's doing them a favour?

Not sure how it works?

Simple, you're a limited company with shareholders and need to pay your staff and shareholders by making profits. The fact that those profits come directly from the NHS and then get funnelled into HMG is irrelevant.

[sasguru]

If you want to know who's making the most out of this in the UK, it's not "Big bad pharma", but company number 10881715, "Supply Chain Coordination Ltd", most of which lines the pockets of Jin Sahota.

Are they the ones responsible for PPE? And doesn't Mr. Sahota report directly to Matt Hancock as he's appointed by him? Not sure how it works?

[WTFH]

It will be great to see how this data correlates with the big pharma bills to NHS.

Not sure which "big pharma" you are referring to, but the two main drugs being used currently by the NHS in treating patients are paracetamol and PneuX.

If you want to know who's making the most out of this in the UK, it's not "Big bad pharma", but company number 10881715, "Supply Chain Coordination Ltd", most of which lines the pockets of Jin Sahota.

[sasguru]

From a scientific point of view, YOU are quite curious.

Doesn't make you any less dull and tedious though.

HTH BIDI

Well done you typed some words. As usual nothing that made any sort of point though. Now get the carer to wipe the drool off.

[sasguru]

It will be great to see how this data correlates with the big pharma bills to NHS and how people related to those dead become long term users of anti-depressants.

Yes its all a plot hatched by big pharma.

[elsergiovolador]

It will be great to see how this data correlates with the big pharma bills to NHS and how people related to those dead become long term users of anti-depressants.

[sasguru]

Weekly all-cause mortality surveillance: 2019 to 2020 - GOV.UK

I see the latest report is the first one in which excess deaths are falling again.

Indeed quite a sharp drop. Lets hope it continues. Still doesn't explain that massive rise though.

[IR35 Avoider]

Eyeballing the official figures, in the peak week we seem to have had 22,000 deaths in England, compared to about 10,000 expected, 12,000 extra in a week is about 1700 a day.

[shaunbhoy]

From a scientific point of view it's quite curious.

From a scientific point of view, YOU are quite curious.

Doesn't make you any less dull and tedious though.

HTH BIDI

[sasguru]

Do you have any more reputable source?

I don't have any academic sources as not surprisingly its early days.
But I was looking at the EUROMOMO data which largely mirrors John Hopkins University although they slice and dice it in different ways.
And there is something quite different about UK (edit: England not Uk) data if you look closely.

Graphs and maps — EUROMOMO
Coronavirus: England's 'excess deaths' among the highest in Europe | UK News | Sky News

"England recorded the highest number of excess deaths anywhere in Europe for three consecutive weeks (week 14, 15 and 16).
Since week 13, the excess deaths in England has been well over 15 points above the normal average - which is the level at which EuroMOMO says there has been an extreme high excess of mortality.
England has recorded more than 40 points above the average for the last two weeks.
Although Spain, Italy and Belgium have also recorded considerably high excess of mortality, none of them have scored more than 40 points."

I see no reason to doubt this data, but clearly it must be treated with caution.
Not trying to make any political point here, just very curious.

*Seems to be just England not Wales NI or Scotland.