Reply to: A Ukrainian Boeing-737 crashes killing all onboard

[jamesbrown]

Hardly probabilistic since the number of parts are absolute. While the permutations & combinations are no doubt high, it is deterministic.

Gawd, you're special.

[vwdan]

As opposed to your sources being a closed terrorist state and news outlets.

Reason, RIP.

Absolutely outstanding.

The part that terrifies me the most is that you really do work in the industry.

[scooterscot]

Have I really got to say all this again - my problem isn't you havibl blah blah blah

As opposed to your sources being a closed terrorist state and news outlets.

Reason, RIP.

[scooterscot]

Hardly probabilistic since the number of parts are absolute. While the permutations & combinations are no doubt high, it is deterministic.

[Paralytic]

You should really look into getting a grip on your ego.

It sounds like he was a low-level tester who found an defect, and is now claiming he saved thousands of lives.

[jamesbrown]

probabilistic analysis

[vwdan]

Yes of course. Shoot down aircraft taking off from an international airport. That's where the hostiles emerge from. Hands up gov, it was total accident.

A report from Iran says what?! Would that be of the same quality of the UK report 'we're 45 minutes from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction'?

Are you implying that Iran are now lying about admitting shooting it down? Christ alright, there truly is no hope.

PS: I don't give advice. Just opinionated banter.

That's an absolute lie - in this very thread you threw your credentials around to qualify your opinions stated as fact and, oh look, you're doing it again:

For the record, over the years, following a failure... I've taken several aircraft out of service throughout the world. In one instance probabilistic analysis had then shown the risk of continued flight beyond so many additional flight cycles was unacceptable according to standard. I prevented at least one catastrophic event, and several hazardous events throughout my career. But you'll not catch them all. That causes stress. You get in the habit of knowing what to look for. Beyond payment, the best I got was a phone call from the director of one major engine manufacturer congratulating me a year later on my analysis as they did experience an event as predicted and planned for it. Business continues from them still today.

The point is this. Us engineers are never recognised for the successes, only criticised for the failures. Especially where life is lost. The one that caused me the most grief a number of years ago was when I rejected an A400M ECU + acmu for test flight following an unacceptable risk of unidentified failure modes. My recommendation was to go back to manufacture, but was put under considerable pressure to sign it off for safe flight. A failure (the equipment activated without condition) which resulted in cascading events ultimately causing the loss of the aircraft and 4 of 6 crew. I remember the day I read the news, I was devastated.


2015 Seville Airbus A400M crash - Wikipedia

Have I really got to say all this again - my problem isn't you having an opinion, my problem is you using your credentials to push unfounded opinions wrapped up in scaremongering. It's an absolute disgrace and I think you know full well that any of your peers would find your posts in this thread appalling. I sincerely hope that some of this angry defensiveness is due to outright embarrassment because if not I genuinely worry about the projects you work on. Just to recap - you were proved, factually, wrong on pretty much every (I suspect every but I can't be arsed to check) single statement you made in this thread. I mean, wow. That's something when it comes to your very own field.

Say this is a very inactive account. Is this Br32 13 14 or whatever? thought he / she was banned for a month??!

And this is just hilarious given A) How BRWhatever got banned and B) A whole bunch of people here have met me. Do you need me to post my pilots licence to prove it

[Mordac]

Into the playground we go.

I thought that was your 'safe space'...

[TheGreenBastard]

For the record, over the years, following a failure... I've taken several aircraft out of service throughout the world. In one instance probabilistic analysis had then shown the risk of continued flight beyond so many additional flight cycles was unacceptable according to standard. I prevented at least one catastrophic event, and several hazardous events throughout my career. But you'll not catch them all. That causes stress. You get in the habit of knowing what to look for. Beyond payment, the best I got was a phone call from the director of one major engine manufacturer congratulating me a year later on my analysis as they did experience an event as predicted and planned for it. Business continues from them still today.

The point is this. Us engineers are never recognised for the successes, only criticised for the failures. Especially where life is lost. The one that caused me the most grief a number of years ago was when I rejected an A400M ECU + acmu for test flight following an unacceptable risk of unidentified failure modes. My recommendation was to go back to manufacture, but was put under considerable pressure to sign it off for safe flight. A failure (the equipment activated without condition) which resulted in cascading events ultimately causing the loss of the aircraft and 4 of 6 crew. I remember the day I read the news, I was devastated.


2015 Seville Airbus A400M crash - Wikipedia

You should really look into getting a grip on your ego.

[scooterscot]

For the record, over the years, following a failure... I've taken several aircraft out of service throughout the world. In one instance probabilistic analysis had then shown the risk of continued flight beyond so many additional flight cycles was unacceptable according to standard. I prevented at least one catastrophic event, and several hazardous events throughout my career. But you'll not catch them all. That causes stress. You get in the habit of knowing what to look for. Beyond payment, the best I got was a phone call from the director of one major engine manufacturer congratulating me a year later on my analysis as they did experience an event as predicted and planned for it. Business continues from them still today.

The point is this. Us engineers are never recognised for the successes, only criticised for the failures. Especially where life is lost. The one that caused me the most grief a number of years ago was when I rejected an A400M ECU + acmu for test flight following an unacceptable risk of unidentified failure modes. My recommendation was to go back to manufacture, but was put under considerable pressure to sign it off for safe flight. A failure (the equipment activated without condition) which resulted in cascading events ultimately causing the loss of the aircraft and 4 of 6 crew. I remember the day I read the news, I was devastated.


2015 Seville Airbus A400M crash - Wikipedia

[northernladuk]

PS: I don't give advice. Just opinionated banter.

And we've disproved that little nugget time and time again.

[scooterscot]

And a dickhead.

Into the playground we go.

[scooterscot]

I still struggle to fathom how ScooterScot still has the front to go around giving his brand of "advice" on this forum after this trainwreck of a thread, but Iran has released some bits of a report.

Iran plane crash: 'Human error' to blame for downing of Ukrainian jet - BBC News

Personally, I'd take it with a huge dose of salt but the pertinent fact is that even they can't pin a single ounce of blame on the aircraft. Whatever went wrong, it appears to be completely a military cock up.

Say this is a very inactive account. Is this Br32 13 14 or whatever? thought he / she was banned for a month??!

[scooterscot]

I still struggle to fathom how ScooterScot still has the front to go around giving his brand of "advice" on this forum after this trainwreck of a thread, but Iran has released some bits of a report.

Iran plane crash: 'Human error' to blame for downing of Ukrainian jet - BBC News

Personally, I'd take it with a huge dose of salt but the pertinent fact is that even they can't pin a single ounce of blame on the aircraft. Whatever went wrong, it appears to be completely a military cock up.

Yes of course. Shoot down aircraft taking off from an international airport. That's where the hostiles emerge from. Hands up gov, it was total accident.

A report from Iran says what?! Would that be of the same quality of the UK report 'we're 45 minutes from Iraqi weapons of mass destruction'?

PS: I don't give advice. Just opinionated banter.

[Mordac]

This thread derailed rather quickly I see.

The Financial Times closed comments on the story quickly, due to trolls spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories.

The most recommended comment is worth copying and pasting here, as it is a crucial reminder to remember that triple figures have lost their lives and deserve a thorough investigation by professionals, not internet forum personalities and troll factories:

____________________

"I am appalled to see some of the comments below, on the FT of all places.
"Alright mate.... I know naff all about planes or general aviation mechanics BUT I reckon: _______"

I don't give a hoot what any of you 'reckon' and so you, like a good amateur dramatist, should wait until investigation has at least occurred. The majority of passengers were Iranian and even though mentioned as Canadian are dual-nationals and of Iranian heritage. Given the damage and passenger nationalities this does indeed appear a sad accident indeed. However don't listen to your imaginings nor mine; have patience and wait for the reports.

The FT needs to get into 2020 with thorough moderation comments section in which random usernames spread suspiciously aggressive scorn, such as "It's obvious Iran fires a missile at this plane."

Aye right mate, get back to the day job!"


Someone replies:
"How would you presume some of us are not qualified? I've been in the aviation & defence industry for 42 years. Flown Capt Airbus, Boeing & more. I live in the Middle East."


Comment author responds:
"I've driven cars for nearly forty years but don't consider myself suitable to conduct police car crash investigations into complex incidents requiring expert analyses and rigorous procedure.

If you are the logical type then I'm sure you'll similarly agree that there is no correlation between the two; I've flown too and I really hate amateur investigators' indifference to the professional aircraft crash investigation.

As I read your comment I see arrogance and the mention of qualities that don't help me understand why you think you'll know better or even have any clue as to the truth of this accident/incident versus a true crash investigation team. It smacks of arrogance and an undeserved elevated status, as can be seen throughout this comments section."

A 'troll' on the FT called it right first time, and Scooty was clueless, as usual. What a relief.