Reply to: We're Going After the Tax Dodgers

[saptastic]

Surely there's no chance Corbyn can win a majority.

But perhaps there could be a loose coalition of Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems, despite the recent fiasco over the national unity govt.

Economist delved into that scenario here: A Labour government would radically transform Britain - Downing Street calling

The upshot is that they can do a lot of damage, but to go the whole hog they need legislation. SNP could be partly bought off with another indyref, but it would still be an uphill battle.

"It praised participatory democracy in Venezuela" - that ended well

[zerosum]

Surely there's no way people will vote for Brexit...

Entirely fair comment.

I still think some sort of coalition is the likelier outcome and under-discussed.

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

Surely there's no chance Corbyn can win a majority.

Surely there's no way people will vote for Brexit...

People fed up voted for Brexit. The best political move you can make is to align yourselves with the fed up and make fixing being fed up your main policy.

I.e. exactly what jezza has done. Down with all the sorts of things that you hate! Vote for me!

It's just crazy enough to work because people don't give a tulip about the minutia, they just want the bad people to be punished and the country to be fixed through change (any change, but just CHANGE, something different), anyone offering that has a good chance of being given the job.

I do think it will be disasterous but it could shake things up a bit.

[zerosum]

Surely there's no chance Corbyn can win a majority.

But perhaps there could be a loose coalition of Labour, the SNP, the Lib Dems, despite the recent fiasco over the national unity govt.

Economist delved into that scenario here: A Labour government would radically transform Britain - Downing Street calling

The upshot is that they can do a lot of damage, but to go the whole hog they need legislation. SNP could be partly bought off with another indyref, but it would still be an uphill battle.

[JohntheBike]

Do you have children?

yes, 3 lovely daughters, two of which have Masters degrees, financed by myself, and 7 beautiful grand children. 5 grand daughters and two grand sons, one of which is autistic. I have had to endure the death of my son and another grandson, so don't even attempt to lecture me on life.

[saptastic]

Whatever anyone thinks of Boris or Jez,

I can confidently say that 5 years of a Corbyn Govt will create 20 years of austerity like never seen before.

- business enterprise & investment will fall
- spending will rise big time

So Jez may help the 'working class' or whatever labels he uses but once he leaves Govt they will pick up the pieces more than anyone else a la Venezuela

I hate this rich and poor and class war.

And the thread is wrong - it wont be tax dodgers it will be hard working 'working/middle class'.

[vetran]

This may not be a very popular opinion on this board but many poor people are not poor entirely due to their own profligacy. We all know the stories of unemployed people with 8 kids and Sky TV but that's not the norm.

Indeed some people are unfortunate but many rich people have had bad breaks as well, they worked to overcome them.


There are plenty of causes and housing cost is probably the biggest. Lack of decent jobs at decent wages as well. Hmm I wonder what we can do to improve those situations?

UK poverty: Causes, costs and solutions | JRF

but pay day lenders & other errors of judgement can have massive effects

How I cleared my GBP20k debt - BBC News

here is a lady that turned her life around. She pretty much ticks all the boxes for causes but overcame the situation. She has my admiration.

Personally I would close or at least heavily limit the interest rates on all payday lending.

I know plenty of people who get themselves into massive debts and as a result live poor despite earning over the average wage. Its not just joblessness, disability, gambling & drinking that drive this.

[Zigenare]

no one asks why they are poor though.



I guess then that you live in a relatively affluent area in England. Spend some time in Wales in the staunch Labour areas and you might be enlightened.

Can they not get on their bikes and find work?

[BrilloPad]

Do you have children?

Do you?

[WTFH]

no one asks why they are poor though.



I guess then that you live in a relatively affluent area in England. Spend some time in Wales in the staunch Labour areas and you might be enlightened.

Do you have children?

[JohntheBike]

This may not be a very popular opinion on this board but many poor people are not poor entirely due to their own profligacy. We all know the stories of unemployed people with 8 kids and Sky TV but that's not the norm.

no one asks why they are poor though.

that's not the norm

I guess then that you live in a relatively affluent area in England. Spend some time in Wales in the staunch Labour areas and you might be enlightened.

[JohntheBike]

Yes.

As much as every other person on this forum and as much as anyone else who works hard, owns a house, invests for their old age, educates their children to be good for the world and doesn't scrounge off the system.

Apparently that makes me and a heap of other good people the target of McDonnellonomics: drag everyone down to the lowest level and ensure that they are dependent on the state.

drag everyone down to the lowest level and ensure that they are dependent on the state

which has always been Labour policy.

A Communist is someone who has nothing and wants to share it with everyone else.

[TwoWolves]

This may not be a very popular opinion on this board but many poor people are not poor entirely due to their own profligacy. We all know the stories of unemployed people with 8 kids and Sky TV but that's not the norm.

I think we all understand that society is much more complex but also that the model and solutions that politicians submit are equally unrealistic and naïve. Which is why they always end up doing more harm than good, regardless of their motives.

I think I've watched every government in my life harm the very segment they claim to want to help the most - which is why they end up out of office again.

[Zigenare]

This may not be a very popular opinion on this board but many poor people are not poor entirely due to their own profligacy. We all know the stories of unemployed people with 8 kids and Sky TV but that's not the norm.

With 8 kids they won't be watching Virgin, will they? FFS!

[Amanensia]

This may not be a very popular opinion on this board but many poor people are not poor entirely due to their own profligacy. We all know the stories of unemployed people with 8 kids and Sky TV but that's not the norm.