Reply to: Aron Banks wishes 16 year old girl to die

[AtW]

Sweet

[scooterscot]

Twitter doesn't care about hate speech anymore - if they did, Trump's account would have been deleted long ago.

[darmstadt]

[WordIsBond]

I guess I'm not quite following you - whether it was a joke is kind of immaterial, in that it's no more a joke than any other kind of bullying disguised as banter is. Like I say, I don't particularly believe he's spent a great deal of time genuinely sat there hoping she dies or anything, but I do think the use of that kind of 'joke' is a telltale sign of his thought process, and to make it against a young girl is just pathetic. "Just a joke" is just a weak way to downplay what has been said

You keep blaminng this Caroline Lucas, who to be frank, I hardly know - when I saw the tweet, saw the content and made my own mind up.

OK, then forget Caroline Lucas, fair enough.

No, whether it is a joke is quite material. People say all kinds of stupid things trying to be funny that tell you very little about what they are really thinking. It certainly makes it stupid to say he wishes her to die if there's any reasonable possibility that he was joking.

Twitter has made the world stupid. People say things without thought, often quite stupid and inappropriate things (such as this one), and other people latch onto them and read multiple thoughts into them.

It's obvious, since Trump tweets self-contradictory things all the time, that he hasn't really given any thought to a lot of the stuff he tweets. I'm not sure we should assume Aron Banks is any more careful. On the evidence, he probably exerts very little thought before tweeting. It would be a shame if he were chased off of Twitter, since it is a great tool for discrediting him, by something like this. Leave him alone and let him spout.

[BrilloPad]

Here you have the outrage by the Rees Mogg friendly press when his son was heckled

'Your daddy is a HORRIBLE person!' Protesters shout abuse at Jacob Rees-Mogg's CHILDREN | UK | News | Express.co.uk
BTW even the guardian was not happy
Jacob Rees-Mogg and his family harassed by activists | Politics | The Guardian

I hope nanny was okay?

[MasterBait]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy, or any, for a precocious right-wing kid in the public eye who was the subject of a similar unfunny joke.

Say one of Jacob Rees Mogg's teenage kids addressed the Tory Conference, as 16 year old William Hague did forty years ago, and accidently tripped and fell down some stairs on his way from the podium. Would anyone pipe up and complain if some leftie tweeted that it was a shame he hadn't broken his neck leaving one less toff in the World? I bet not.

Here you have the outrage by the Rees Mogg friendly press when his son was heckled

'Your daddy is a HORRIBLE person!' Protesters shout abuse at Jacob Rees-Mogg's CHILDREN | UK | News | Express.co.uk
BTW even the guardian was not happy
Jacob Rees-Mogg and his family harassed by activists | Politics | The Guardian

[NotAllThere]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy, or any, for a precocious right-wing kid in the public eye who was the subject of a similar unfunny joke.

Ah, the alt-right playing the victim card. And not outraged because of what some did say, but outraged by a hypothetical example they just made up.

Well done. Your virtue is well and truly signalled.

[Zigenare]

he's right. And your point is?

see my outrage!!!!!!!!

[Lockhouse]

Another nice piece of work

He's right. And your point is?

[BlasterBates]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy, or any, for a precocious right-wing kid in the public eye who was the subject of a similar unfunny joke.

Say one of Jacob Rees Mogg's teenage kids addressed the Tory Conference, as 16 year old William Hague did forty years ago, and accidently tripped and fell down some stairs on his way from the podium. Would anyone pipe up and complain if some leftie tweeted that it was a shame he hadn't broken his neck leaving one less toff in the World? I bet not.

Huge rightwing outrage over Emily Thornberry's joke

[vwdan]

I already told you what I think he meant, and it fits with what he's said about it.

Could he have been lying when he said it was a joke? Yeah, he could. But it is a lot more probable that he was joking than that he actually ever wanted harm to come to her.

I know you are an intelligent person. But you've let Caroline Lucas frame the way you view this, and you allowed it to affect even how you read what other people say about it. The result is that you've left yourself looking as if you were completely discounting a reasonable possibility, that he really was just joking (inappropriately, but just a joke), even after that had been specifically suggested. And so you left yourself looking as if you are just a knee-jerk reactionary driven by biases.

When really, I'm guessing, it isn't that. It's that you let someone else's framing drive your thinking and so you didn't even pay attention enough to another view to discuss it reasonably. That's too bad, but at least it doesn't force me to think you're an idiot, so I guess I'll take it.

I guess I'm not quite following you - whether it was a joke is kind of immaterial, in that it's no more a joke than any other kind of bullying disguised as banter is. Like I say, I don't particularly believe he's spent a great deal of time genuinely sat there hoping she dies or anything, but I do think the use of that kind of 'joke' is a telltale sign of his thought process, and to make it against a young girl is just pathetic. "Just a joke" is just a weak way to downplay what has been said

You keep blaminng this Caroline Lucas, who to be frank, I hardly know - when I saw the tweet, saw the content and made my own mind up.

[vwdan]

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy, or any, for a precocious right-wing kid in the public eye who was the subject of a similar unfunny joke.

Say one of Jacob Rees Mogg's teenage kids addressed the Tory Conference, as 16 year old William Hague did forty years ago, and accidently tripped and fell down some stairs on his way from the podium. Would anyone pipe up and complain if some leftie tweeted that it was a shame he hadn't broken his neck leaving one less toff in the World? I bet not.

I would, whether you believe it or not. I've also spoken out against milkshaking, despite being a left liberal.

[Eirikur]

Another nice piece of work

[WordIsBond]

So what do YOU think he meant?

I already told you what I think he meant, and it fits with what he's said about it.

And Aron Banks made a joke about this kind of political stunt could come with a cost. It was tacky. He shouldn't have done it. If he were a decent person, he probably wouldn't have, although the best people mess up sometimes. He's probably not a decent person.

Could he have been lying when he said it was a joke? Yeah, he could. But it is a lot more probable that he was joking than that he actually ever wanted harm to come to her.

I know you are an intelligent person. But you've let Caroline Lucas frame the way you view this, and you allowed it to affect even how you read what other people say about it. The result is that you've left yourself looking as if you were completely discounting a reasonable possibility, that he really was just joking (inappropriately, but just a joke), even after that had been specifically suggested. And so you left yourself looking as if you are just a knee-jerk reactionary driven by biases.

When really, I'm guessing, it isn't that. It's that you let someone else's framing drive your thinking and so you didn't even pay attention enough to another view to discuss it reasonably. That's too bad, but at least it doesn't force me to think you're an idiot, so I guess I'll take it.

[OwlHoot]

You're an idiot. If you seriously think a grown man in the public eye, saying something like this, on a public social media platform about a 16 year old girl is funny (don't forget, jokes are supposed to be funny), then you have issues dude.

I get it's fashionable for some of you to hate anything 'left', but come on, really, you think this is acceptable behavior from an adult?

It's nothing to do with "virtue-signalling", it's is all about having in a moral compass.

I wonder if there would be so much sympathy, or any, for a precocious right-wing kid in the public eye who was the subject of a similar unfunny joke.

Say one of Jacob Rees Mogg's teenage kids addressed the Tory Conference, as 16 year old William Hague did forty years ago, and accidently tripped and fell down some stairs on his way from the podium. Would anyone pipe up and complain if some leftie tweeted that it was a shame he hadn't broken his neck leaving one less toff in the World? I bet not.