Reply to: Fake news or freedom of speech?

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...or worthwhile.

I'd love to see some decent ideas come from the left. I might even get behind them if they start talking policies and ideas... :/

[Old Greg]

No one said it would be easy...

...or worthwhile.

[Jog On]

With an Alt right twunt like you?

No one said it would be easy...

[Old Greg]

Let's see if we can get at least 1 page in of sensible conversation, after that it's anyone's game...

With an Alt right twunt like you?

[Jog On]

Obviously we'll ruin it.

Let's see if we can get at least 1 page in of sensible conversation, after that it's anyone's game...

[Old Greg]

Splendid!

Obviously we'll ruin it.

[Jog On]

ah consent



What's he not waiting for ?

The tape on its own isn't evidence but it is when you consider with the allegations, which are evidence.

The Republicans had a field day with Bill Clinton's infidelity; were you outraged about that as well?

I didn't GAS about anything like that, was having way too much fun. Besides I'm not even outraged at this. What consenting adults choose to do with each other is their business

This tape does not serve as evidence of anything non-consensual. It's horrible and misogynistic yes but not evidence of any crime. How do you reconcile this tape as being evidence of the allegations? If anything it's proof that he doesn't cross the line into non-consent.

" I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it."
"I moved on her like a b**ch. But I couldn’t get there."

He didn't cross the line into non-consent.

[Jog On]

Explain, with evidence, please.

Also:

At that time, ISIS was confined to the immediate area of Iraq and Syria. President Obama famously referred to ISIS nine months later in January of 2014 as the “JV team.”

I though it was Bush and Blair that created ISIS. .

They created the vacuum that ISIS formed in after destroying Iraq and not stabilizing it afterwards. But the group formed under Obama's presidency right after Russia blocked us from invading Syria in the UNSC and militarily. There were other actors involved such as Saudi Arabia and Turkey and our friend John McCain

[BlasterBates]

No it's not - it's called making a move on a married woman - and then later bragging about what famous men can get away with con sensually.

He didn't say that about the woman making rape allegations about him now. This is what he said about her (from the full transcript you posted earlier)



The 'grab them by..' quote which everyone get's so excite about comes (as you know) later in the conversation and even that - as per the quote you just posted indicates consent:



Now that doesn't make any of what he said OK or acceptable. But as far as evidence of illegal rape/assault - it's not that either.

I'll ask you the same question I asked OG - What policies and ideas do you think the dems should use to win the hearts and minds of Trump voters?

ah consent

I don't even wait.

What's he not waiting for ?

The tape on its own isn't evidence but it is when you consider with the allegations, which are evidence.

The Republicans had a field day with Bill Clinton's infidelity; were you outraged about that as well?

[Jog On]

A hunch that someone is smearing Trump. It's a good job i dont have a hunch that he's guilty.

It would be a decent coversation. Don't have time right now but will later.

Splendid!

[Old Greg]

Call it a hunch - I see you want me to make some kind of absolute statement without any evidence so you can 'win' based on that. I have based my 'hunch' on the fact that it's not the first time (Stormy - Kavanagh etc), won't be the last and this is what the liberals do.

Here's a question that could set up a decent conversation for you - what policies and ideas do you think the dems should take up if they wanted to win over the hearts and minds of Trump voters this time around?

A hunch that someone is smearing Trump. It's a good job i dont have a hunch that he's guilty.

It would be a decent coversation. Don't have time right now but will later.

[NotAllThere]

Explain, with evidence, please.

I though it was Bush and Blair that created ISIS. .

[WTFH]

Obama ... created ISIS

Explain, with evidence, please.

[Jog On]

It's called sexual assault.

Donald Trump Access Hollywood tape - Wikipedia

No it's not - it's called making a move on a married woman - and then later bragging about what famous men can get away with con sensually.

He didn't say that about the woman making rape allegations about him now. This is what he said about her (from the full transcript you posted earlier)

Donald J. Trump: You know and ...

Unknown: She used to be great. She’s still very beautiful.

Trump: I moved on her, actually. You know, she was down on Palm Beach. I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it.

Unknown: Whoa.

Trump: I did try and f**k her. She was married.

Unknown: That’s huge news.

Trump: No, no, Nancy. No, this was [unintelligible] — and I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping.

She wanted to get some furniture. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.” I took her out furniture —

I moved on her like a b**ch. But I couldn’t get there. And she was married. Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony t*ts and everything. She’s totally changed her look.

The 'grab them by..' quote which everyone get's so excite about comes (as you know) later in the conversation and even that - as per the quote you just posted indicates consent:

I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

Now that doesn't make any of what he said OK or acceptable. But as far as evidence of illegal rape/assault - it's not that either.

I'll ask you the same question I asked OG - What policies and ideas do you think the dems should use to win the hearts and minds of Trump voters?

[BlasterBates]

Bragging about what? He said he aggressively pursued him and she turned him down. No rape, no assault. Furniture shopping...

I'm not trying to defend him or what he said - but let's call it what it actually is.

It's called sexual assault.

Donald Trump Access Hollywood tape - Wikipedia

Trump described his attempt to seduce a married woman and indicated he might start kissing a woman that he and Bush were about to meet. He added, "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."