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Not all religions are created equal and not many are applied in any meaningful way by the broader population which makes this kind of argument fatuous.
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Originally posted by abu1 View PostReligion is the not the problem here rather peoples understanding and application of it. Most religions have similar commandments of being kind, not harming other, helping poor, forgiving, etc.
I would argue a country without any moral codes will be far less understanding and caring , more selfish and greedy.
Who says success is down to wealth alone? we should not measure success or failure based on wealth alone. A person can have less yet be content within themselves. yet we see so many with a lot of wealth suffering from loneliness, depression and even those committing suicide. happiness is being content with what you have
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Religion is the not the problem here rather peoples understanding and application of it. Most religions have similar commandments of being kind, not harming other, helping poor, forgiving, etc.
I would argue a country without any moral codes will be far less understanding and caring , more selfish and greedy.
Who says success is down to wealth alone? we should not measure success or failure based on wealth alone. A person can have less yet be content within themselves. yet we see so many with a lot of wealth suffering from loneliness, depression and even those committing suicide. happiness is being content with what you have
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostI'd argue that it's the application of religion.
Most old religions talk about good and bad actions/deeds/words, not good and bad people.
"Do not commit murder" - murder is a bad thing to do.
"Help those who need it" - helping others is a good thing to do.
"Don't judge people based on what they look like/where they are from/their religion, but judge them on their actions" - maybe the parable of the good Samaritan is still relevant today?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44881554
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Originally posted by original PM View PostFor religion to work you need a right and a wrong, a good and a bad.
If you are the 'good' people you need to choose some 'bad' people to persecute.
So religion in general will result in conflict.
Most old religions talk about good and bad actions/deeds/words, not good and bad people.
"Do not commit murder" - murder is a bad thing to do.
"Help those who need it" - helping others is a good thing to do.
"Don't judge people based on what they look like/where they are from/their religion, but judge them on their actions" - maybe the parable of the good Samaritan is still relevant today?
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostAre you/the Daily Mail saying that if the UK was less religious, we (the UK) would be more tolerant of others?
But then, most DM readers have no sense of irony.
Saudi Arabia is quite prosperous.
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For religion to work you need a right and a wrong, a good and a bad.
If you are the 'good' people you need to choose some 'bad' people to persecute.
So religion in general will result in conflict.
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Originally posted by vetran View PostReligion makes us poor bigots!
Full text here. It's well known that secularism and prosperity are correlated. What they've shown is the increase in secularism precedes the increase in prosperity.
Interesting statement in the abstract
"Our multilevel, time-lagged regressions also indicate that tolerance for individual rights predicted 20th century economic growth even better than secularization."
There's no indication of a causitive link though - it's still correlation.
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Religion makes us poor bigots!
Shunning religion makes nations richer and more tolerant for individual rights, study finds | Daily Mail Online
Shunning religion can boost a country’s prosperity, a study has found.
Researchers at the universities of Bristol and Tennessee found that higher levels of secularism led to higher wealth and a greater tolerance for individual rights.
They examined output figures for 109 countries and the importance of religious faith in those states.
A modest increase in secularisation corresponded to an average £800 increase in output per head within a decade, a £2,000 increase in 20 years and a £4,000 increase within 30.Tags: None
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