Reply to: Feckin' "Middle of two lanes" queue policers

[NotAllThere]

Luckily we aren't in the US though more and more drivers are starting to have manners like this.

A very British attitude. Manners come before traffic flow and safety. We are British damn it! We will queue!

[SueEllen]

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07...d-drive-ruder/

Luckily we aren't in the US though more and more drivers are starting to have manners like this.

[NotAllThere]

There's something else zipper approvers like NAT should ponder. Why is it that often when the outside lane is coned off the cones extend back, far beyond the stretch where work is actually in progress or planned, to the previous junction or roundabout?

Obviously the idea is to siphon traffic into a single lane from the outset, knowing that the alternative of a restriction away from the junction would cause more of a bottleneck solely on account of merging cheats, and that rather proves my point.

"Obviously" as used here is a replacement for evidence or argument.

You think you observe something (perhaps once, perhaps everywhere, who knows? there's no data given), come up with a theory for it, and apparently that's proof. The scientific method just passed you by, didn't it.

[rsingh]

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07...d-drive-ruder/

[SueEllen]

There's something else zipper approvers like NAT should ponder. Why is it that often when the outside lane is coned off the cones extend back, far beyond the stretch where work is actually in progress or planned, to the previous junction or roundabout?

Obviously the idea is to siphon traffic into a single lane from the outset, knowing that the alternative of a restriction away from the junction would cause more of a bottleneck solely on account of merging cheats, and that rather proves my point.

Gosh you do talk rot. The reason for the extra cones is workers safety.

The majority of the client sites I have to drive to are on a route where I have to merge to get onto the slip road to a dual carriageway or motorway. If people stay in the left hand lane only the queue ends up going back to the next junction or roundabout. If there is an accident somewhere even using both lanes this can go back several miles and block routes going elsewhere.

Frequently due to the volume of traffic you then have to merge at the same speed to get from the slip road onto the dual carriageway or motorway.

Some people who stay in the left hand lane think they are queuing properly, and try to block others from merging in from the right, but all that happens once you are on the dual carriageway or motorway is you end up overtaking them anyway.

There are other drivers who clearly can't cope with merging and I frequently find I have to let in one to two drivers in front of me get from the slip road to the dual carriageway/motorway. The maximum I've allowed in is five as they couldn't time the gaps between two lorries and a coach. Hence when I see others delibrately blocking the right hand lane I simply think they can't drive properly.

[OwlHoot]

There's something else zipper approvers like NAT should ponder. Why is it that often when the outside lane is coned off the cones extend back, far beyond the stretch where work is actually in progress or planned, to the previous junction or roundabout?

Obviously the idea is to siphon traffic into a single lane from the outset, knowing that the alternative of a restriction away from the junction would cause more of a bottleneck solely on account of merging cheats, and that rather proves my point.

[NotAllThere]

Hmmm. Lot of hackles raised over this issue. I guess the amount of traffic and proximity to a junction must also be factors. Needs a maths model. I used to be good at those once.

If you read the published research, you'll find that the number of HGVs has an effect as well (the more there are, the more effective zipping is - assuming everyone cooperates).

From 2000 to 2002 I had to commute halfway round the M25 and back again every day. I read an article about defensive driving and tried to adopt the principles*. Once I got the hang of it, I found driving far more relaxing than before. I don't care what selfish twunts do - I'm just making sure I and my passengers are protected as far as I can.



* Everyone else on the road is a complete moron with the foresight of a 3 week old corpse.

[northernladyuk]

She's still finding it hard to get used to driving without the guy waking the red flag in front of her.

She ran over the last two for impertinence if you fancy the job.

[greenlake]

I give them 3/4 of the space provided and them let them move forward to obtain the other 1/4

But what if it's an Audi driver....?

[stek]

Woman lectures men on driving. Now there’s a first.

Lance Stator, Detectorist

[cojak]

I'm pretty sure Cojak was referring to the utter twats who, as well as being zipper cheats bypassing the queue, then have the gall to try queue jumping even more by merging directly behind the car in front of them also merging, rather than abiding by the alternate lanes convention.

Good grief, we are in tune with this one OH!

One time zippers I can just about cope with, it’s the ones behind them that really do my head in.

[OwlHoot]

There is no queue-jumping. That's all in the mind. ...

I'm pretty sure Cojak was referring to the utter twats who, as well as being zipper cheats bypassing the queue, then have the gall to try queue jumping even more by merging directly behind the car in front of them also merging, rather than abiding by the alternate lanes convention.

[fullyautomatix]

It is very clear in this thread who the queue jumping chunts are

[xoggoth]

Hmmm. Lot of hackles raised over this issue. I guess the amount of traffic and proximity to a junction must also be factors. Needs a maths model. I used to be good at those once.

[northernladyuk]

Does my chunk in....

800 yds to the roadworks when it goes down from 2 lanes to 1 and theres a Tesco lorry straddling both lanes trying to be the "queue cheat police" and stopping people using the inside lane.

Makes no sense at all. Surely the best idea is to use both lanes and "zipper" in at the bottom. Drivers in the uk are just thick.

Stupidly, there was a "hows my driving" thing on the back of the tesco lorry. Surely a bit dull to be playing silly buggers when people can call up to moan about you're driving (which I did).

Don't they realise you've got a call out for a malfunctioning keyboard!