Reply to: More political correctness - blackberry allergies

[Jog On]

On the other hand, she's probably a poster girl for British teenage snowflake/millenial activists. Funnily enough, I didn't have you down as one of those, but then, life is constantly surprising.

I can imagine the DM headline though: "Teenage Islamist launches unprovoked attack on two soldiers"

Anyway, you portray a false dichotomy - it's possible to be angered and feel something should be done about minor things and major things. The fact that Palestinian teenagers are sometimes treated very badly by the Israeli justice/military system does not mean that the "blackberry assault" is just to be ignored.

I'm not a teenage snowflake/millennial activist - you can be sure of that. I'm a "white male". The point I was making that here is a young girl who is brave, empowered and in my opinion worthy of recognition in a time when feminism is a very big thing just about everywhere you look.

I also agree that the blackberry assault could encourage copycat behaviour in young kids:

In this context I can see the point, the James Bulger case comes to mind when seeing this. It's a shame the PC movement and it's counter movement have got so out of hand.

The point I'm making is that the PC brigade and snowflakes put their anger, energy and effort into attacking inane 1st world problems that are easy when they could be going after bigger and more serious issues and make a better contribution with their protests - like this young Palestinian girl.

It's not like they don't have enough serious problems on their doorstep to tackle. But they won't because they don't have the backbone for it.

[NotAllThere]

Not all of the younger generations it would appear - depending on where in the world you live some of them are dealing with bigger issues:

Ahed Tamimi: Who is Palestinian teenage protester and why is she being detained? | The Independent

Brave girl - is there a #hashtag for her? I wonder how much traction it's getting among the empowered progressives of whom this girl should be a shining example - a feminist icon even.

But i think the California snowflakes would probably see her as a terrorist as she's on the wrong side of the tracks.

On the other hand, she's probably a poster girl for British teenage snowflake/millenial activists. Funnily enough, I didn't have you down as one of those, but then, life is constantly surprising.

I can imagine the DM headline though: "Teenage Islamist launches unprovoked attack on two soldiers"

Anyway, you portray a false dichotomy - it's possible to be angered and feel something should be done about minor things and major things. The fact that Palestinian teenagers are sometimes treated very badly by the Israeli justice/military system does not mean that the "blackberry assault" is just to be ignored.

[d000hg]

I was thinking about this last night and think i have found the problem.

Kids nowadays are bought up to make sure they are a voice for 'those who cannot be heard'.

Thus obviously why you see people getting offended about things which do not affect them - they are assuming they have a privilege to speak out for these people - as obviously these people cannot do it themselves or they would be doing - with me so far?

So has anyone who has a blackberry allergy actually got upset about this?

No - it is simply people who feel that if they had a blackberry allergy they would be offended by this.

but here's the kicker and the bit we need to work on.

We need to teach our kids that if someone does not speak out - you do not have a right to do it for them because for all you know they are not speaking out because they could not give a fook.

And therefore before you got offended you need to obtain written permission from the group you are being offended on behalf of before you can get on your twitter rant.

Think it should work well.

If kids thought it was funny to throw peanuts at someone with an allergy in real life, that would be a bad thing. At that age, it could seem funny and not serious.

The whole idea that you shouldn't act until the victim does is just incredibly, tragically selfish. I'm a straight white man so therefore I shouldn't care about racism or sexism or homophobic attacks? See a woman who has the signs of being involved in domestic abuse - leave her to get the courage to say so.

PC and snowflake mentality take it too far - looking for people who might be offended and them championing them. But offence and victimisation are very different. We absolutely should speak out for those who cannot speak for themselves, who are being badly treated.

[Jog On]

The younger generations need EVERYTHING painstakingly clarified for them.

They don't have either the time, energy, or the initiative to formulate their own point of view on anything.

Too busy playing on their phones.

They are ripe for a Big Brother society.

HTH

Not all of the younger generations it would appear - depending on where in the world you live some of them are dealing with bigger issues:

Ahed Tamimi: Who is Palestinian teenage protester and why is she being detained? | The Independent

Brave girl - is there a #hashtag for her? I wonder how much traction it's getting among the empowered progressives of whom this girl should be a shining example - a feminist icon even.

But i think the California snowflakes would probably see her as a terrorist as she's on the wrong side of the tracks.

[Jog On]

I think it's a not very funny joke that's probably inappropriate in a supposedly family friendly kiddy's film. Trouble is there are enough tulipy kids who'd watch it and then go out and rub peanuts in some poor allergic kid's face thinking "hah hah, now he'll have to get his epi-pen or "Let's watch him go all blotchy and have breathing difficulties". Such fun! They'll probably video it on their mobile phones. If it had been something along the line of Gremlins (yes, I'm that old) where the characters are supposed to be nasty and anarchic, then fair enough. Context is everything.

I'm not offended by the film. Should it be banned? I doubt it, but if this is the height of its humour, it's almost certainly eminently missable.

In this context I can see the point, the James Bulger case comes to mind when seeing this. It's a shame the PC movement and it's counter movement have got so out of hand.

[NotAllThere]

Me and my brother were discussing this at the weekend.

Everything is now black and white for some people.

So like this film either you think it should be banned for taking the piss out of people with allergies - or you are wrong.

Where is the middle ground - why can I not say well i really do not care either way - and that is also wrong.

Either you are offended by it - or you are wrong.

I think it's a not very funny joke that's probably inappropriate in a supposedly family friendly kiddy's film. Trouble is there are enough tulipy kids who'd watch it and then go out and rub peanuts in some poor allergic kid's face thinking "hah hah, now he'll have to get his epi-pen or "Let's watch him go all blotchy and have breathing difficulties". Such fun! They'll probably video it on their mobile phones. If it had been something along the line of Gremlins (yes, I'm that old) where the characters are supposed to be nasty and anarchic, then fair enough. Context is everything.

I'm not offended by the film. Should it be banned? I doubt it, but if this is the height of its humour, it's almost certainly eminently missable.

[Jog On]

The younger generations need EVERYTHING painstakingly clarified for them.

They don't have either the time, energy, or the initiative to formulate their own point of view on anything.

Too busy playing on their phones.

They are ripe for a Big Brother society.

HTH

As long they are arguing with each other over stupid 1st world problems they won't be paying too much attention to stuff that really matters.

Machiavelli in action.

[shaunbhoy]

Me and my brother were discussing this at the weekend.

Everything is now black and white for some people.

So like this film either you think it should be banned for taking the piss out of people with allergies - or you are wrong.

Where is the middle ground - why can I not say well i really do not care either way - and that is also wrong.

Either you are offended by it - or you are wrong.

The younger generations need EVERYTHING painstakingly clarified for them.

They don't have either the time, energy, or the initiative to formulate their own point of view on anything.

Too busy playing on their phones.

They are ripe for a Big Brother society.

HTH

[original PM]

Idiots in the middle - pointing the above out, hence shutting down all reasoned discussion.

Me and my brother were discussing this at the weekend.

Everything is now black and white for some people.

So like this film either you think it should be banned for taking the piss out of people with allergies - or you are wrong.

Where is the middle ground - why can I not say well i really do not care either way - and that is also wrong.

Either you are offended by it - or you are wrong.

[OwlHoot]

What's so frustrating is you can't seem to buy t shirts that have:

I AM
ABJECTLY SORRY
FOR WHATEVER
I JUST SAID

although curiously you can buy a T shirt that says:

MY T-SHIRT
CAN SAY N*****R
BECAUSE ITS BLACK

[NotAllThere]

Idiots in the middle - pointing the above out, hence shutting down all reasoned discussion.

[BR14]

Idiots on the left "If you say anything I disagree with, I'll label you as offensive." Hence shutting down any reasoned discussion.

Idiots on the right "If you say anything I disagree with, you're only saying that because your offended." Hence shutting down any reasoned discussion.

So, - SNAFU then, all systems nominal

[NotAllThere]

Idiots on the left "If you say anything I disagree with, I'll label you as offensive." Hence shutting down any reasoned discussion.

Idiots on the right "If you say anything I disagree with, you're only saying that because your offended." Hence shutting down any reasoned discussion.

[northernladyuk]

Amazing how many people appear to be offended by a petition.

[original PM]

They are a charity set up to help parents whose children have food allergies, does that make them evil or irrelevant?

About KFA

Ok - I know people who were are allergic to things and this did not offend them, they found it funny and felt the film should not have been vilified and in fact it should have been left alone.

However their voices have not been heard and they now have people allegedly campaigning on their behalf.

And they do not want it.

Every story has two sides.