Reply to: Just give us the feckin money - so we can spend it on prostitutes.

[shaunbhoy]

I thought it was a good comparison you trust the taxi driver to behave himself, he doesn't and takes advantage of someone who is helpless - is that good?

Of course that is wholly unacceptable, but I was making the point that for people working away from home for extended periods the routine utilisation of prostitution is hardly the crime that some are presenting it to be.

It appears that there has been a fair amount of activity that is wholly unacceptable by any standards and that needs to be addressed and stamped out, but the scale of the witch hunt that is unfolding seems to be a little over the top to me.

If we hold onto the expectation that our Aid Workers are all likely to be whiter than white at all times then we are going to struggle to recruit any in future.

It is hugely hypocritical of our Political and Church leaders to be pouring fuel onto the fire given their chequered histories too.

Its about trust, especially with underage kids. That is 24*7.

I don't believe that anyone has disagreed with that. I certainly haven't.

If you add economic deprivation to the mix its even more disgusting. Am I the only one who finds the "how are you going to pay the bill love???? porn a bit unpleasant?"

No, you are not the only one. Not sure why you'd believe that you were?

Being forced into using sexual favours to survive because you don't have enough money for food & shelter is not really something we should see as acceptable.

Agreed.

[vetran]

Not really a direct comparison though is it?



Even in their spare time?



In the context of the Haitian Prostitution trade, "doing good" is a relative term.

I thought it was a good comparison you trust the taxi driver to behave himself, he doesn't and takes advantage of someone who is helpless - is that good?

Its about trust, especially with underage kids. That is 24*7. If you add economic deprivation to the mix its even more disgusting. Am I the only one who finds the "how are you going to pay the bill love???? porn a bit unpleasant?" Being forced into using sexual favours to survive because you don't have enough money for food & shelter is not really something we should see as acceptable.

[TestMangler]

So when BarryDidIt used to go on the pull in the seedier parts of Huddersfield, and his fave chat up line was "Aye Oop Loov, Aye works for HBOS".....that was wrong ??

[shaunbhoy]

so you hire a taxi driver to drive your drunk teenage daughter home and he slips her a length on the way home while she is incapacitated? He did turn the clock off so its all fine !!

Not really a direct comparison though is it?

They are in loco parentis they should behave that way.

Even in their spare time?

They may not be monks but they are funded to do good.

In the context of the Haitian Prostitution trade, "doing good" is a relative term.

[vetran]

My mileage on the first is much the same as yours, depending on the ages involved.

But the second, although probably correct from the companies' practical policy standpoint, doesn't merit any of the moral outrage these carry ons have provoked and so is irrelevant.

And I don't agree with the third either: As long as they're doing their jobs, why should anyone worry what they do in their leisure time, with (presumably) their own money, especially as they are also helping these prostitutes by paying them?

If we were paying monks to stay celibate and sing masses for our salvation each day then, fair enough, it would be disappointing if they started running a whorehouse employing their acolytes and the nuns down the road. But aid workers are not saints.

so you hire a taxi driver to drive your drunk teenage daughter home and he slips her a length on the way home while she is incapacitated? He did turn the clock off so its all fine !!

They are in loco parentis they should behave that way.

They may not be monks but they are funded to do good.

[OwlHoot]

Unfortunately there are a number of things wrong here.

1. The Prostitutes are believed to be underage. The pictures of the Aid workers make them more NLyUK's age.

2. Whilst prostitution may be the oldest profession most western companies would be very unhappy with staff who set up a whorehouse in a property they paid to rent.

3. These organisations are funded by the public either directly or indirectly (via taxation), they prey on our morality for their funding, their behaviour should be above reproach.

YMMV

My mileage on the first is much the same as yours, depending on the ages involved.

But the second, although probably correct from the companies' practical policy standpoint, doesn't merit any of the moral outrage these carry ons have provoked and so is irrelevant.

And I don't agree with the third either: As long as they're doing their jobs, why should anyone worry what they do in their leisure time, with (presumably) their own money, especially as they are also helping these prostitutes by paying them?

If we were paying monks to stay celibate and sing masses for our salvation each day then, fair enough, it would be disappointing if they started running a whorehouse employing their acolytes and the nuns down the road. But aid workers are not saints.

[psychocandy]

Unfortunately there are a number of things wrong here.

1. The Prostitutes are believed to be underage. The pictures of the Aid workers make them more NLyUK's age.

2. Whilst prostitution may be the oldest profession most western companies would be very unhappy with staff who set up a whorehouse in a property they paid to rent.

3. These organisations are funded by the public either directly or indirectly (via taxation), they prey on our morality for their funding, their behaviour should be above reproach.

YMMV

With vetran on this one. If you're on a business trip you're represnting your employer and need to act accordingly. Even more so when you work for something like a charity....

Makes you wonder mind how often this has happened in the past.

[psychocandy]

Not sure what point you're trying to get across

Works for:
Nigeria (11)
Burkina Faso (13)
Comoros (13)
Niger (13)
Philippines (12)
Japan (13)
Angola (12)

Europe not that much better

Germany (14)
Serbia (14)
Portugal (14)
Italy (14)
Liechtenstein (14)
Estonia (14)
Bulgaria (14)
Austria (14)

Do a poll on the forum female member for "how many were still a virgin at 16" and see the results

I never knew that. 14 in Germany. Ewww!

[xoggoth]

I think if they were near starving I'd be a bit worried about doing that anyway.

[darmstadt]

“Wouldn’t you say, if a person cannot afford to feed themselves, the appropriate thing to put in their mouth is food, not your cock?"

[pjclarke]

At first glance, a whiff of hypocrisy? It is entirely possible the House of Commons (and other august bodies) would be improved by the removal of anyone who ever obtained sexual favours for money or by the abuse of a position of power.

But even if the transactions were purely commercial and entered into willingly, prostitution is illegal in Haiti, and surely the employees would have had something in their T&Cs about respecting all local laws and customs.

And some degree of coercion was surely present, as Suzanne Moore writes:

*Let us not muddy the waters by describing this as “the use of prostitutes” or by pretending this is the first time “do-gooders” have done wrong. Prostitution implies choice and consent. It is not clear how any choice was made, in the devastating aftermath of the Haiti earthquake, when women had so little that they were bought for the price of a meal or a cheap pair of shoes.

[pjclarke]

Now it's coming out that volunteers in Oxfam shops have been abusing people:

Is all this abuse stuff overblown?

It's in the Daily Mail, so yes.

[xoggoth]

Now it's coming out that volunteers in Oxfam shops have been abusing people:

Oxfam scandal: Claims of sex abuse in its charity shops | Daily Mail Online

Not really my thing standing around in shops, I prefer more active volunteer stuff like inspecting and repairing footpaths. Footpath signs can't talk fortunately.

Seriously, in all my years at work I can only remember one person ever mentioning any harassment and that was just a bloke making a joke about her big t*ts. Is all this abuse stuff overblown?

[darmstadt]

The're not the only ones, at least hypocritical right wing politicians use taxpayer's money: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/02/...et-sex-worker/

[Eirikur]

Unfortunately there are a number of things wrong here.

1. The Prostitutes are believed to be underage. The pictures of the Aid workers make them more NLyUK's age.

2. Whilst prostitution may be the oldest profession most western companies would be very unhappy with staff who set up a whorehouse in a property they paid to rent.

3. These organisations are funded by the public either directly or indirectly (via taxation), they prey on our morality for their funding, their behaviour should be above reproach.

YMMV

As long as the whores are of legal age and paid from their clients own pockets there should be no problem at all. Again the left are pretend shocked over nothing.