Reply to: The accidental PM

[greenlake]

Anyone else made this transition and have any tips or anecdotes?!

[MrMarkyMark]

Well I'm equally glad I don't have people like you as developers weighing down my team, so consider the compliment returned.

It's not an unpleasant role, just unfamiliar not to have a tangible product "I made this". When I did it before to a lesser degree with the same client, I was lead dev/architect/technical PM so if people were not performing (or I didn't tell them what to do properly) I had the last resort to jump in and get my hands dirty but it was a very small team. Probably that is my preferred position - doing some coding, designing larger parts of the system and delegating implementation to a few people while still being in touch with the "bare metal". But then I'm someone who actually enjoys coding... I'm one of the nerds who'd rather be locked away in a basement

Thanks, intellectually we are so far apart there would scant chance of a total thicko like yourself and me getting on.

I didn't realise I was going to be the PM when hired!

As an aside, clearly you consider yourself bullet proof when it comes to IR35?

Is that because you don't think HMRC will be able to find you in your basement

[barrydidit]

When you say, "I made this", what do you normally make?

[LondonManc]

Well I'm equally glad I don't have people like you as developers weighing down my team, so consider the compliment returned.

It's not an unpleasant role, just unfamiliar not to have a tangible product "I made this". When I did it before to a lesser degree with the same client, I was lead dev/architect/technical PM so if people were not performing (or I didn't tell them what to do properly) I had the last resort to jump in and get my hands dirty but it was a very small team. Probably that is my preferred position - doing some coding, designing larger parts of the system and delegating implementation to a few people while still being in touch with the "bare metal". But then I'm someone who actually enjoys coding... I'm one of the nerds who'd rather be locked away in a basement

When you say, "I made this", what do you normally make?

[d000hg]

Well I'm equally glad I don't have people like you as developers weighing down my team, so consider the compliment returned.

It's not an unpleasant role, just unfamiliar not to have a tangible product "I made this". When I did it before to a lesser degree with the same client, I was lead dev/architect/technical PM so if people were not performing (or I didn't tell them what to do properly) I had the last resort to jump in and get my hands dirty but it was a very small team. Probably that is my preferred position - doing some coding, designing larger parts of the system and delegating implementation to a few people while still being in touch with the "bare metal". But then I'm someone who actually enjoys coding... I'm one of the nerds who'd rather be locked away in a basement

[LondonManc]

If you cannot think of anything worse than having "a bit of a stuck up, prissy and fairly boring twunt" as PM I'll stand my my claim you have a very weak imagination, thanks for helping me out

He just wants to see you sat in a corner, dribbling. He's a strange one, nqat, but at least he's got clear targets.

[MrMarkyMark]

If you cannot think of anything worse than having "a bit of a stuck up, prissy and fairly boring twunt" as PM I'll stand my my claim you have a very weak imagination, thanks for helping me out

Just stating what I have observed, nothing more nothing less, no "imagination" weak or otherwise required .

[d000hg]

Not really, its because I find you a bit of a stuck up, prissy and fairly boring twunt actually

If you cannot think of anything worse than having "a bit of a stuck up, prissy and fairly boring twunt" as PM I'll stand my my claim you have a very weak imagination, thanks for helping me out

[MrMarkyMark]

I never said I thought I could do it I didn't realise I was going to be the PM when hired!

That's because you're a narrowly-focused coder with a very limited imagination.

Not really, its because I find you a bit of a stuck up, prissy and fairly boring twunt actually

I have managed teams of up to 8 developers / testers before, on a few occasions.

My way of keeping in touch with the tech would be set the developers up with the concept / solution / POC or whatever and let them do the gutsy, repetitive button pushing part of it.
I would never take a role that didn't involve such activities as it would mean I would lose my SME status.

I never said I thought I could do it

Looks like they have chosen completely the wrong person, then.

[d000hg]

No disrespect to the OP but there is nothing worse than non PM's falling in to a PM position and thinking they can do it.

I never said I thought I could do it I didn't realise I was going to be the PM when hired!

I'll take it further and suggest that I can think of nothing worse than the OP being my Project Manager.

That's because you're a narrowly-focused coder with a very limited imagination.

[MrMarkyMark]

No disrespect to the OP but there is nothing worse than non PM's falling in to a PM position and thinking they can do it.

I'll take it further and suggest that I can think of nothing worse than the OP being my Project Manager.

[northernladyuk]

No disrespect to the OP but there is nothing worse than non PM's falling in to a PM position and thinking they can do it.

Except PC falling into a non-PC position and thinking he can do it.

[LondonManc]

Must work though, I earn a very good living at being rubbish, if that is actually the case.

I thought you'd have been more proud at having made him sit in a corner, dribbling.

[MrMarkyMark]

Like this chap you mean?

Must work though, I earn a very good living at being rubbish, if that is actually the case.

[northernladuk]

No disrespect to the OP but there is nothing worse than non PM's falling in to a PM position and thinking they can do it.