Reply to: Final nail in the coffin

[SueEllen]

The current political adviser pathway into politics is dreadful. There need to be more people with real world experience, whether in business, professions, academia, trade unions (remember Alan Johnson, ex-postie?). One way of tackling this would be to make it difficult to parachute outsiders into safe seats. I would have a law that eligibility for election to parliaments includes continuous residency within the constituency for the previous five years. Of course, the political class would never go for this.

That would be funny as you would still get people like Sadiq Khan but you wouldn't get Corbyn and May.

[BlasterBates]

Brexit Bill delayed over Government fears it would be defeated in Commons revolt | The Independent

A key amendment, co-tabled by the former Conservative Chancellor Kenneth Clarke, demands that the Prime Minister’s plan for a two-year transition period is written into law.

If that gets passed, Brexit is dead.

[Paddy]

Brexit preparations have been plunged into further chaos after the key legislation was shelved for a month because of Commons revolts.

The flagship EU Withdrawal Bill is not expected to be put back before MPs until mid November. It was originally due to be debated this week.

Brexit Bill delayed over Government fears it would be defeated in Commons revolt | The Independent

[Pip in a Poke]

Weird that one as most people you speak to who voted either May or Brexit or for Trump or for Le Pen or for Wilders or for the AfD all say the same thing and what do they get in return, the exact same establishment people just under a different name. Sadly politics is now no longer for the people by the people but has become a front for business and for people to further their own interests...

Well, there are those that argue that UKIP is now under the control of an establishment shill.

The powers that be certainly didn't like Anne Marie Waters.

Not sure about her myself - quite an interesting background - socialist (ex labour candidate), lesbian, atheist, feminist. Not the normal tick boxes for a member of the "far right" as the establishment have her labelled.

[northernladyuk]

We do have a definite problem with the quality and backgrounds of our political class. They are from far too narrow a section of society. And the way candidates are selected leaves a lot to be desired. The reality is the voters dont get the kinds of people they really want to vote for on the ballot paper, and in the party system its the party selection approaches that are to blame. A lot of ethnic minorities and females who went to public school is NOT diversity.

Its similar with the journalistic class where they tend to hire people who are similar to themselves, with the odd gentle nudge where it is politically correct to show diversity. But a lot of ethnic minorities and females who went to public school is NOT diversity.

The very top of the big multi nationals here are little better. For instance companies like google, microsoft, etc which started with characters who dropped out of college, came from wide variety of backgrounds, and so on, for the senior ranks in the UK have hired from the same old pool of public school dross that other big companies do. And companies like HPE sending emails to their staff telling them how to vote is an extreme low point in British life.

Brexit is a democratic decision, get over it. If we had a vote of whether to drastically cut immigration you can be sure the result would be even more resounding, and on that the British public are correct.

The system is broken.

The current political adviser pathway into politics is dreadful. There need to be more people with real world experience, whether in business, professions, academia, trade unions (remember Alan Johnson, ex-postie?). One way of tackling this would be to make it difficult to parachute outsiders into safe seats. I would have a law that eligibility for election to parliaments includes continuous residency within the constituency for the previous five years. Of course, the political class would never go for this.

[Big Blue Plymouth]

Weird that one as most people you speak to who voted either May or Brexit or for Trump or for Le Pen or for Wilders or for the AfD all say the same thing and what do they get in return, the exact same establishment people just under a different name. Sadly politics is now no longer for the people by the people but has become a front for business and for people to further their own interests...

As they will get if Corbyn gets in.

Wasn't Hollande hard left before he got reined in by whoever was pulling his strings?

[CoolCat]

We do have a definite problem with the quality and backgrounds of our political class. They are from far too narrow a section of society. And the way candidates are selected leaves a lot to be desired. The reality is the voters dont get the kinds of people they really want to vote for on the ballot paper, and in the party system its the party selection approaches that are to blame. A lot of ethnic minorities and females who went to public school is NOT diversity.

Its similar with the journalistic class where they tend to hire people who are similar to themselves, with the odd gentle nudge where it is politically correct to show diversity. But a lot of ethnic minorities and females who went to public school is NOT diversity.

The very top of the big multi nationals here are little better. For instance companies like google, microsoft, etc which started with characters who dropped out of college, came from wide variety of backgrounds, and so on, for the senior ranks in the UK have hired from the same old pool of public school dross that other big companies do. And companies like HPE sending emails to their staff telling them how to vote is an extreme low point in British life.

Brexit is a democratic decision, get over it. If we had a vote of whether to drastically cut immigration you can be sure the result would be even more resounding, and on that the British public are correct.

The system is broken.

[darmstadt]

No, not really. While I respect the principle of our parliamentary democracy, our current political class is rotten, corrupt and in the pocket of global capitalism.

We need a good clearout.

I don't buy any of this "Brexit means Brexit" tough talk either.

Running with the fox while hunting with the hounds is the phrase that springs to mind.

Weird that one as most people you speak to who voted either May or Brexit or for Trump or for Le Pen or for Wilders or for the AfD all say the same thing and what do they get in return, the exact same establishment people just under a different name. Sadly politics is now no longer for the people by the people but has become a front for business and for people to further their own interests...

[Pip in a Poke]

That is because you are a thug who doesn't respect parliamentary sovereignty.

No, not really. While I respect the principle of our parliamentary democracy, our current political class is rotten, corrupt and in the pocket of global capitalism.

We need a good clearout.

I don't buy any of this "Brexit means Brexit" tough talk either.

Running with the fox while hunting with the hounds is the phrase that springs to mind.

[bobspud]

The leave campaign should just have been “We hate foreigners (particularly the EU) and we will blame them for everything that is wrong with the UK”

I don't believe that statement at all and frankly Im sick of the bulltulip rhetoric coming out of the remain camps faces.

However had the leave campaign led with the above statement. I think the sad fact is the gap for leave would have been 30 points or more in front of remain...

[northernladyuk]

If there's any attempt to reverse the will of the majority who voted in that referendum then I really hope people start lobbing Molotov cocktails at the Palace of Westminster.

That is because you are a thug who doesn't respect parliamentary sovereignty.

[NigelJK]

The campaign should just have been “We hate the British (particularly the Englanders) and we will blame them for everything that is wrong with the EU”

But then again I only judge on past actions not some deranged mumbling from a bunch of losers.

[WTFH]

By the way did anyone notice that the EU gave the OECD over 85 million in the past ten years?

It’s not a lot of money but it’s still enough to question their allegiances to impartial figures...

85million over 10 years? That’s less than 2 days worth of the pledged money that is going to the NHS.
The leave camp have showed their true colours - it’s either inability to negotiate, inability to live up to their promises or incompetence.

The leave campaign should just have been “We hate foreigners (particularly the EU) and we will blame them for everything that is wrong with the UK”

[bobspud]

By the way did anyone notice that the EU gave the OECD over 85 million in the past ten years?

It’s not a lot of money but it’s still enough to question their allegiances to impartial figures...

[BR14]

It was a hypothetical question.... There is an ultra-Brexiter assertion that a second vote would be undemocratic.

Ignoring the opinion of 48% of the voters, as well as bundling everyone from the other 52% into the same ultra-Brexit bucket also feels undemocratic.

We voted for a departure, not a destination. The interests of the Conservative party rather than the country will determine the destination.

well, feck me! in the middle of all this bullsh*t from both sides, there is a modicum of awareness!