Reply to: Labour and Tory rebels plan to keep UK in EEA

[BlasterBates]

Leave campaigners: let's stay in the Single Market

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

The Leave campaign now lying about their lie.

[northernladyuk]

We want out of the EU, because we are sick of their rules and sick of the European Court of Justice being all powerful. And that it takes an ice age to do anything because of the 27 other members.

So... WTO rules, and 'rules' is the operative word. Yes, we'll be bound by WTO's rules, which will be upheld by the WTO's Dispute Settlement Body (and the problem with the ECJ is it has the words 'court' and 'justice' in it), and agreement is needed by 164 other members. Not sure when the last elections to the WTO parliament were?

The problem with Ultra-Brexiters championing the WTO route is simply they don't understand they wish to replace one supranational body with a far worse one. The UK will be in front of that Dispute Settlement Body so often over the first few years it will be unreal, as other members dispute our tariffs - even if they mirror the EU tariffs.

The one good thing about the European Economic Area is that it helps us sidestep the WTO rules when it comes to our closest trading partners.

So a good thing about the EEA is that the UK will no longer be subject to the European Court of Justice but will instead be subject to the Court of Justice of the European Free Trade Association States (Rue du Fort Thuengen, 1499 Luxemburg City, Luxembourg).

[Paddy]

Leave campaigners: let's stay in the Single Market

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

[Paddy]

We want out of the EU, because we are sick of their rules and sick of the European Court of Justice being all powerful. And that it takes an ice age to do anything because of the 27 other members.

Can you give some examples please. So far nobody has managed to do so.

[chopper]

would do fine with the UK trading under WTO rules.

We want out of the EU, because we are sick of their rules and sick of the European Court of Justice being all powerful. And that it takes an ice age to do anything because of the 27 other members.

So... WTO rules, and 'rules' is the operative word. Yes, we'll be bound by WTO's rules, which will be upheld by the WTO's Dispute Settlement Body (and the problem with the ECJ is it has the words 'court' and 'justice' in it), and agreement is needed by 164 other members. Not sure when the last elections to the WTO parliament were?

The problem with Ultra-Brexiters championing the WTO route is simply they don't understand they wish to replace one supranational body with a far worse one. The UK will be in front of that Dispute Settlement Body so often over the first few years it will be unreal, as other members dispute our tariffs - even if they mirror the EU tariffs.

The one good thing about the European Economic Area is that it helps us sidestep the WTO rules when it comes to our closest trading partners.

[PurpleGorilla]

Labour and Tory rebels plan to keep UK in EEA

Even the Daily Express is beginning to cave:

Brexit news - former eurocrat predicts EU-UK trade deal is 'impossible' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

In the end the UK will end up like Norway or Switzerland. This was clear from the very beginning.

Great. If we end up like Norway and Switzerland.

They are rich, and happy!

[SueEllen]

Even the Daily Express is beginning to cave:

Brexit news - former eurocrat predicts EU-UK trade deal is 'impossible' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

In the end the UK will end up like Norway or Switzerland. This was clear from the very beginning.

Throw him to the lions.

[BlasterBates]

Even the Daily Express is beginning to cave:

Brexit news - former eurocrat predicts EU-UK trade deal is 'impossible' | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

In the end the UK will end up like Norway or Switzerland. This was clear from the very beginning.

[JozefBlofeld]

Sal:
We do not necessarily want a hard Brexit BUT ......

Why don't you want a hard Brexit? Don't you have courage in your conviction? Maybe you should be explaining all the benefits of hard Brexit to the uncommitted ?

[northernladyuk]

Sal:
to clarify for you you are correct: We cannot have external trade deals with other non EU countries if we stick in their club. Thats why we are where we are. Getting stuck on the fence stops us developing any additional trade partners. That will be the worst of all your fears riding a chicken through hells doors.

We do not necessarily want a hard Brexit BUT we need the EU to know that we are more than satisfied to go there as a starting point. All the apologists are doing is weakening the hand. Because while those ******* idiots are in the room the EU knows it's not gonna get a bad result so why try.

If May wants to win this she needs to get anyone with a whiff of remain about them as far away from the table as possible.

The remain guys need to hear the hard fact that we are going for rubble but there will be a care package for them. and then once the EU understand we really are going to start with no deal + no divorce money, they will start getting their negotiation heads on.

The reason its going bad now is because they know there is no threat.

Thanks for the chuckle.

[BrilloPad]

What a bunch of ******* made up bollocks

Don't talk about WTFH posts lile that.

[bobspud]

Sal:
to clarify for you you are correct: We cannot have external trade deals with other non EU countries if we stick in their club. Thats why we are where we are. Getting stuck on the fence stops us developing any additional trade partners. That will be the worst of all your fears riding a chicken through hells doors.

We do not necessarily want a hard Brexit BUT we need the EU to know that we are more than satisfied to go there as a starting point. All the apologists are doing is weakening the hand. Because while those ******* idiots are in the room the EU knows it's not gonna get a bad result so why try.

If May wants to win this she needs to get anyone with a whiff of remain about them as far away from the table as possible.

The remain guys need to hear the hard fact that we are going for rubble but there will be a care package for them. and then once the EU understand we really are going to start with no deal + no divorce money, they will start getting their negotiation heads on.

The reason its going bad now is because they know there is no threat.

[darmstadt]

What a bunch of ******* made up bollocks

[PurpleGorilla]

True, she was the Home Secretary - in charge of our sovereign borders for 6 years, during which time she did nothing to strengthen them, but according to the less intelligent on here, that's not her fault, it's the fault of the EU.

You're right, she did nothing to strengthen them, and she could have.

They had the leader of the CMB Union talking about Fair Movement of People this morning. That sounded good. Really positive.

[WTFH]

TM wasn't in power when the vote was held, and is not all-powerful to arbitrarily make decisions. She's the PM not the president.

True, she was the Home Secretary - in charge of our sovereign borders for 6 years, during which time she did nothing to strengthen them, but according to the less intelligent on here, that's not her fault, it's the fault of the EU.