Labour and Tory rebels plan to keep UK in EEA

[OwlHoot]

At least stay in EEA until all the details of the Brexit are clear and then take another step out of the EEA.

You still don't get it do you? Remainers cannot be trusted to take that other step. In fact they would be determined not to, because they will clutch at any straw to keep us as far as possible tied up with the EU and associated structures, as a kind of half way house, and then as soon as possible do their utmost to undo even what little Brexit was achieved by staying in this EEA.

Instead of dropping to WTO rules in year and a half which is guaranteed to wreck the economy.

What bollox. We, and the EU for that matter, would do fine with the UK trading under WTO rules.

[BlasterBates]

There is no country that simply trades on WTO rules.

It's a bit like buying a car not only without all the extras but also without wheels.

[PurpleGorilla]

Labour and Tory rebels plan to keep UK in EEA

There is no country that simply trades on WTO rules.

It's a bit like buying a car not only without all the extras but also without wheels.

We have bilateral trade agreements with other countries. For example the USA. When we leave the EU, these arrangements stay in place?

Edit - lots of material on existing an possible Trade with UK USA here https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R44817.pdf


It's not like the UK will be WTO only, instantly when we leave, with the entire world.

[motoukenin]

I don't get it, most of the brexiteers agree that there will be short term pain, but expect long term gain from Brexit. If that's the case, where is the problem in 2-3 years transitional deal? It will hardly impact long term gains and will minimize the short term pain. Yes the people have spoken in the referendum that they want out - and they will get out, what's the rush?

4 months after the A50, there is like 0 progress on Brexit, where does the confidence that we can complete all the negotiations in the next 20 months comes from? F**k me, the government can't do a Datacenter migration project completed in twice that time.

Transitional deal is not a given , UK can ask for this but unless all 27 agree then it wont happen.

[sal]

You still don't get it do you? Remainers cannot be trusted to take that other step. In fact they would be determined not to, because they will clutch at any straw to keep us as far as possible tied up with the EU and associated structures, as a kind of half way house, and then as soon as possible do their utmost to undo even what little Brexit was achieved by staying in this EEA.

You still don't get it that the will of the majority of the UK population is for soft (if at all Brexit), not a hard one. If it's true that the majority of the population truly wants hard (if at all) Brexit, next GE vote (will happen just when the proposed transitional deal is about to end) will allow them to vote out any Remainer trying to reverse Brexit or postpone the withdrawal from EEA.

The only problem is that this is not going to happen, for the simple reason that hard brexiteers are a minority and you/they know it. Hence the mad scramble to trow everyone of the cliff before people realize what's going on.

What bollox. We, and the EU for that matter, would do fine with the UK trading under WTO rules.

EU will be OK, as falling back to WTO rules in it's trade with the UK will impact small portion of it's trade.

UK will not be OK as falling back to WTO rules will impact 100% of it's trade.

The infrastructure to trade under WTO doesn't exist and will require many years to match the volume of goods that will have to be handled. Meanwhile all the UK manufacturing will seize as they won't have the required imported input and the super market shelves will stand half empty.

Anyway it's a fiction as it's never going to happen, even the thickest of the brexiteers in power are starting to realize that hard Brexit is fiction

[PurpleGorilla]

Transitional deal is not a given , UK can ask for this but unless all 27 agree then it wont happen.

No, not a given, but likely.

Despite the best efforts of the EU to paint the UK market as an irrelevance, it is not.

A major shift in trade between the UK and EU would hurt both sides. Granted the EU has greater mass to absorb the impact, but the pain would not be equally spread either.

[sal]

We have bilateral trade agreements with other countries. For example the USA. When we leave the EU, these arrangements stay in place?

Edit - lots of material on existing an possible Trade with UK USA here https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R44817.pdf


It's not like the UK will be WTO only, instantly when we leave, with the entire world.

Care to share the source of this claim? I believed all the brexiteers are whining we can't have bilateral trade deals while part of the EU. So which one is it?

[BlasterBates]

We have bilateral trade agreements with other countries. For example the USA. When we leave the EU, these arrangements stay in place?

Edit - lots of material on existing an possible Trade with UK USA here https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R44817.pdf


It's not like the UK will be WTO only, instantly when we leave, with the entire world.

It will take several years before there is a US-UK trade deal, so the UK will be stuck out on its own on WTO rules, for many years before a trade deal is signed. Then it will take several years for companies to take advantage, though I very much suspect UK industries will be wiped out by US companies.

In the EU, the UK can hold it's own, UK companies facing off against US companies with a huge home market will have no chance.

[PurpleGorilla]

Care to share the source of this claim? I believed all the brexiteers are whining we can't have bilateral trade deals while part of the EU. So which one is it?

I'm not an expert on this SAL, my understanding is we have bilateral trade arrangements with things like arms sales with the USA which are independent of the EU.

[BrilloPad]

You still don't get it that the will of the majority of the UK population is for soft (if at all Brexit), not a hard one.

That is irrelevant. The population gets asked at elections and occasional referenda. Apart from that, no-one cares.