Reply to: You just don't get it!

[BrilloPad]

Oh yessssss.

It used to be rare to get a 1st, mostly because of the way it was marked (out of 70 rather than 100 which made it almost impossible back in the day, however the marking scheme changed a few years ago so before long they'll all be getting 1sts).

I didn't say that & you ain't seen me, right?

If they don't get a 1st it would infringe their human rights.

[PurpleGorilla]

You just don't get it!

While I see why you might think that. If you were offered the chance to own a property with the added benefit of a decade or two of rampant inflation and an interest rate that at some point would balloon to a point where your mortgage on its own would cost more than you earned before tax. Would you want it?

Our little snowy gens seem to have decoupled having every thing with having the best paying job. So you get snivelling articles about ditsy birds that work for the charity sector wondering why she can't live in an area where even I would struggle...

Sorry it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better and if you are really lucky that other nutty bird will get her way and we will get a ban on inheritances...

Yawn.

How big was the house ;/)

[scooterscot]

We do need to spend money on education for the less advantaged/less able to bring them up but there has to be some cut off point. Probably much better to encourage apprenticeships and part time courses.

Qualifying entrants is important but when a government supports private business rather than higher education... When you chase profits one can easily misplace the merits of what our great institutions were about in the first place.

[xoggoth]

My feeling is the UK is forever looking for short-term solutions to long term problems and pays out twice as much in the long run. The article might well focus on the cost but you also have to focus on the economic benefit. Measure that economic benefit and provide for it at the beginning when education starts.

I don't disagree with that in principal but, as I said, where is the possible economic benefit of students whose degrees are unlikely to benefit either themselves or the rest of us? We do need to spend money on education for the less advantaged/less able to bring them up but there has to be some cut off point. Probably much better to encourage apprenticeships and part time courses.

Rather off topic but the grade inflation is worrying too, makes degrees increasingly meaningless.
Number of first class university degrees soars amid grade inflation warning | The Independent

[SueEllen]

WHS. create a tiered system where certain degrees are cheaper than others. Hence media studies you pay twice what physics is.

The university Chancellors unfortunately worked out a way to line their pockets.

[MarillionFan]

The trouble with this is, over here, everyone wants to do media studies, or some such dossy subject so they can say they have a trendy degree. Offer any 18 year old a fee-free physics degree, and knowing they'll have to work their wedding vegetables off, they'll run a fooking mile.

WHS. create a tiered system where certain degrees are cheaper than others. Hence media studies you pay twice what physics is.

[scooterscot]

The Guardian rather challenges the idea that it was a good idea. It points out that German students do pay some fees, that only 27% go to university compared to 48% in the UK and that German universities are less costly as they don't provide the services or the extent of teaching that UK universities do. Even so, in the last paragraphs it questions whether it is affordable and can continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gher-education

Two interesting points made in the linked article:

The idea that higher education in Germany is free is only half true. Students still have to pay an administration fee of €150-€250 a term, for which they get access to canteens and sports facilities, union membership and a student travel card.

Not quite equivalent to £9k a year, poor journalism.

“German universities provide a less structured experience: the onus of learning is often on the student, not the institution. But now the amount of hand-holding you get at American universities strikes me as more odd”.

Exactly. And the same is true in their work place. If you're shown to be lacking in your chosen subject/skill then expect to find yourself heading for the door. A student is that, someone who studies to further their education, like UK a post graduate.

My feeling is the UK is forever looking for short-term solutions to long term problems and pays out twice as much in the long run. The article might well focus on the cost but you also have to focus on the economic benefit. Measure that economic benefit and provide for it at the beginning when education starts.

[meridian]

The thread's interesting, if only to see all the snowflake boomers continuing to pretzel themselves to justify why it was okay for them to take advantage of cheap housing and free universities, but if anyone else complains then _they're_ the snowflakes...

[bobspud]

I thought the video was excellent [emoji41]

While I see why you might think that. If you were offered the chance to own a property with the added benefit of a decade or two of rampant inflation and an interest rate that at some point would balloon to a point where your mortgage on its own would cost more than you earned before tax. Would you want it?

Our little snowy gens seem to have decoupled having every thing with having the best paying job. So you get snivelling articles about ditsy birds that work for the charity sector wondering why she can't live in an area where even I would struggle...

Sorry it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better and if you are really lucky that other nutty bird will get her way and we will get a ban on inheritances...

[NotAllThere]

oh no, you & Xoggy are confusing spooter with facts. That isn't what you do to a Bremoaner...

As opposed to a Brexiter who just ignores cogent arguments and facts?

I thought the video was excellent [emoji41]

[vetran]

According to quick google search,Germany has a population of approximately 82.67 million. At 2.4 million students this means it has 2.9% of its population at university

The UK has a population of 65.64 and 2.28 million university students meaning we have 3.4% of our population at University, so per head of capita we are sending more than Germany.

oh no, you & Xoggy are confusing spooter with facts. That isn't what you do to a Bremoaner...

[Mordac]

There are currently 387 universities in Germany with a combined student population of approximately 2.4 million, paid for by the state resulting in a thriving economy.

If student prospects are not enhanced then target universities chasing profits rather than providing for the needs of industry.

The trouble with this is, over here, everyone wants to do media studies, or some such dossy subject so they can say they have a trendy degree. Offer any 18 year old a fee-free physics degree, and knowing they'll have to work their wedding vegetables off, they'll run a fooking mile.

[PurpleGorilla]

I thought the video was excellent [emoji41]

[Acme Thunderer]

There are currently 387 universities in Germany with a combined student population of approximately 2.4 million, paid for by the state resulting in a thriving economy.

If student prospects are not enhanced then target universities chasing profits rather than providing for the needs of industry.

According to quick google search,Germany has a population of approximately 82.67 million. At 2.4 million students this means it has 2.9% of its population at university

The UK has a population of 65.64 and 2.28 million university students meaning we have 3.4% of our population at University, so per head of capita we are sending more than Germany.

[xoggoth]

There are currently 387 universities in Germany with a combined student population of approximately 2.4 million, paid for by the state resulting in a thriving economy.

The Guardian rather challenges the idea that it was a good idea. It points out that German students do pay some fees, that only 27% go to university compared to 48% in the UK and that German universities are less costly as they don't provide the services or the extent of teaching that UK universities do. Even so, in the last paragraphs it questions whether it is affordable and can continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...gher-education

Not, as I've said before, that I'm against abolishing or reducing tuition fees but it needs to be only for the best students doing subjects that the economy needs. No point spending taxpayers' money on those who are only going to end up doing the jobs they would have done if they'd never been to university. That only makes it harder for firms to find employees and drives the need for more immigration. Also the cost is not just the fees but the loss of tax/NI they could have paid.