Reply to: EU expansion - oh dear

[Mordac]

Hardly likely to get citizenship. Only a minority of asylum seekers will be able to apply for citizenship. Most are either deported or tolerated i.e. there are difficulties sending them back so they can stay but they have less rights and they certainly can't become citizens. If the Syrian war is resolved within the next 8 years then refugees will be expected to return.

The way things are going, that sadly seems like a rather optimistic "if".

[Mordac]

Link / source? There's no such thing as "EU citizenship". Each EU country has it's own rules, there's no "one size fits all". Germany, for example, requires



Other countries may be less, may be more.

Sounds like an oversight, there is for just about everything else...

[original PM]

There is no such thing as EU citizenship. In uk they would need ILR first via DL or HP that’s a 6-10 year route and after that it’s required the previous 10 years be blemish free, and as most enter uk illegally initially and claim asylum, it’s 10 years from then.

Only on becoming a BC can you gain EU FoM rights, and we won’t be in it then

Is exactly every immigrants therefore in camps or are some moving about freely?

[vetran]

Even? You say it as if bottom feeder tabloid is the FT quality newspaper.

its is pretty much a bottom feeder but the Times (Behind a paywall but linked) lead the story.

Very clear they want to issue Visa's because the EU are leaving them to flounder.

[AtW]

Even the Sun calls them Visa's

Even? You say it as if bottom feeder tabloid is the FT quality newspaper.

[vetran]

So, you have "no idea", yet you and several others trot it out as an argument that these refugees arrive at Italy and are given full EU citizenship so that they are in the UK in a couple of hours.

Maybe, before you decide to argue that every single refugee is granted full EU citizenship, you might want to research the opinions you are being spoon fed before relying on them as fact.

Even the Sun calls them Visa's, not sure why you are talking about citizenship?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/402611...ants-eu-visas/

based on the Times Story.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i...orth-tdt0d5bzf

The upshot is they will be able to travel across the Schengen area and wait to get to the UK via the back of a lorry. Or travel to countries other than Italy and accelerate the EU's demise by sheer weight of numbers.

[stek]

EU expansion - oh dear

No idea, but I understand they only have to remain in the EU for a certain time (five years?), keeping their nose clean, after which they automatically qualify for EU citizenship.

Also, this report was released today:


2017-07-17 The outlook for EU migration if the UK remains subject to the free movement of people

Haven't read it in detail yet, but presumably it is pertinent to this discussion.

There is no such thing as EU citizenship. In uk they would need ILR first via DL or HP that’s a 6-10 year route and after that it’s required the previous 10 years be blemish free, and as most enter uk illegally initially and claim asylum, it’s 10 years from then.

Only on becoming a BC can you gain EU FoM rights, and we won’t be in it then

[WTFH]

No idea, but I understand they only have to remain in the EU for a certain time (five years?), keeping their nose clean, after which they automatically qualify for EU citizenship.
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So, you have "no idea", yet you and several others trot it out as an argument that these refugees arrive at Italy and are given full EU citizenship so that they are in the UK in a couple of hours.

Maybe, before you decide to argue that every single refugee is granted full EU citizenship, you might want to research the opinions you are being spoon fed before relying on them as fact.

[BlasterBates]

Did you read that article?

It is not as rosy as all that - and it highlights the obvious problem - those law abiding immigrants who actually pose no threat and could do some good for the country are the ones being deported as they are the ones who tell the truth and turn up for interview etc.

The dodgy feckers just stay below the radar, live under false names etc.

Hardly likely to get citizenship. Only a minority of asylum seekers will be able to apply for citizenship. Most are either deported or tolerated i.e. there are difficulties sending them back so they can stay but they have less rights and they certainly can't become citizens. If the Syrian war is resolved within the next 8 years then refugees will be expected to return.

[meridian]

No idea, but I understand they only have to remain in the EU for a certain time (five years?), keeping their nose clean, after which they automatically qualify for EU citizenship.

Also, this report was released today:


2017-07-17 The outlook for EU migration if the UK remains subject to the free movement of people

Haven't read it in detail yet, but presumably it is pertinent to this discussion.

Link / source? There's no such thing as "EU citizenship". Each EU country has it's own rules, there's no "one size fits all". Germany, for example, requires

eight years of legal residence, although this is shorter for spouses of German nationals. It also requires oral and written German language skills, a clean criminal record and a commitment to respecting the German constitution. In general, those applying for naturalisation must also give up their foreign nationality.

Other countries may be less, may be more.

[original PM]

Never get deported? Are you sure?



Germany aims to deport record number of rejected asylum seekers in 2017 | Reuters
Repatriation of Refugees Emerges as German*Election Issue - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Did you read that article?

It is not as rosy as all that - and it highlights the obvious problem - those law abiding immigrants who actually pose no threat and could do some good for the country are the ones being deported as they are the ones who tell the truth and turn up for interview etc.

The dodgy feckers just stay below the radar, live under false names etc.

[OwlHoot]

How many of the refugees/immigrants got full EU citizenship last year?

No idea, but I understand they only have to remain in the EU for a certain time (five years?), keeping their nose clean, after which they automatically qualify for EU citizenship.

Also, this report was released today:


2017-07-17 The outlook for EU migration if the UK remains subject to the free movement of people

Haven't read it in detail yet, but presumably it is pertinent to this discussion.

[Mordac]

What really? Head stuck in the sand (or elsewhere) for the few years? Alt-right is a white nationalist conservative movement in the US, and to some extent Canada and Europe. It means (to the people who are part of it) "Alternative Right". To most other people of moderate views (mainstream left or right wing, certainly not just liberal hand-wringers), it means bunch of racist bastards.

So to translate, alt-right = "anyone who doesn't agree with you". Glad we cleared that up. I've only ever seen it in the Graun, so I had assumed it was a pejorative term which applied to Leave voters generally, whatever their motivations.

[shaunbhoy]

you are French-Irish then?

Plastic-Irish more like.

[vetran]

Or the Brits will be the migrants in rafts going to France.

you are French-Irish then?