Reply to: A new low for ISIS (disturbing)

[vetran]

No, what were his conclusions?

He is fairly liberal and pro immigration. He did try to present it in a fairly unbiased way.

The interesting thing was the way the public mood changed around the 1900s and why.

From an allow everyone in 1800s to a no more destitute Aliens in 1918.
The men came back from the front and found all their jobs were taken by cheap immigrant labour.

Interestingly enough I hadn't realised how those nice Germans had slaughtered so many Belgians at the start of WWI and England had opened its Borders & hearts to the massive influx of refugees

World War One: How 250,000 Belgian refugees didn't leave a trace - BBC News

The UK was home to 250,000 Belgian refugees during World War One, the largest single influx in the country's history.

we are seeing annual levels twice that.....

Oh and the Belgians went home once we saw off the Hun. The government were pretty firm about it.


well worth a watch.

[OwlHoot]

Did you see the Ian Hislop documentary on immigration the other day it is still on Iplayer.

No, what were his conclusions?

[BrilloPad]

I just hope ISIS never get round to reading Wilbur Smith. I am currently reading Pharoah - which has as many sick torments in as the rest.

[vetran]

Saudi Arabia are the friends of Tories, you can't say anything bad about them. Tory voters support them and their legal executions.

yeah its just the tories, jeez you on the Benylin again??

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...dle-east-envoy

Former PM helped PetroSaudi break into Chinese market
His firm was paid £41,000 a month plus 2% commission
Blair held role as Middle East peace envoy at the time

There is a difference between meeting dogs because they are the heads of state that the UK legally trades with and cuddling up with them for a pay packet.

I expect the Government to meet with the Saudis, Chinese (those nice communists that shoot prisoners), Russians (who like to beat up gays) etc as they are legal states.

Corbyn attacks the government for dealing with Saudi like the last 20 governments. May & Co haven't met with Hezbollah a prohibited organisation. They aren't anti semites or pro IRA.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...jeremy-corbyn/

[WTFH]

So you can't compare it to a court sanctioned execution for adultery or homosexuality?

Saudi Arabia are the friends of Tories, you can't say anything bad about them. Tory voters support them and their legal executions.

[northernladyuk]

unfortunately they are so far apart even comparing them is difficult.

So you can't compare it to a court sanctioned execution for adultery or homosexuality?

[MarillionFan]

Trouble is PG believes it because he read it. If it turns out not to be true, then he'll just dismiss every account of ISIS as propaganda...

...well, ok, he won't, because logic isn't his strong point.

Frankly, I don't think they'd do this. Too much effort. More likely they gave her the leavings of their own goat dinner and just told her it was her child. Which of course isn't any better at all.

Nasty little ****ers.

Judging by a number of propaganda videos shot in high definition of beheadings, drownings, blowing people up with missile launchers, having children shoot and stab people, set people on fire, drawn & quarter people, then yes, I'd believe it.

[vetran]

You cannot of course in anyway equate them, but you can compare them. They are certainly on the same continuum.

unfortunately they are so far apart even comparing them is difficult.

[vetran]

There's always the Mail in 1900.

Did you see the Ian Hislop documentary on immigration the other day it is still on Iplayer.

[vetran]

At least I have one. You just came with an ASBO

FTFY

[northernladyuk]

It's puzzling that ISIS revels in cruelty, when you'd think they would attract more combatants and more acceptance in the territories they occupied if they cultivated more of a "good guy" image.

A reputation for extreme and often bizarre brutality may attract psychopathic nutters to their ranks and give them a psychological edge in combat, and from their standpoint there must be something to be said for that. But surely their leaders must realise their harshness discredits fundamentalist Islam and that alienating everyone will inevitably mean they are eventually crushed, as it appears they are being.

I believe it was set up and is controlled from behind the scenes (or was at the outset) by ex-officers from Saddam Hussein's Mukhabarat. So maybe it has been some long-running black op to actually discredit the idea of militant Islamism, implausible though that sounds.

Unfortunately terror has a long and ignoble pedigree as a tool for control.

[OwlHoot]

It's puzzling that ISIS revels in cruelty, when you'd think they would attract more combatants and more acceptance in the territories they occupied if they cultivated more of a "good guy" image.

A reputation for extreme and often bizarre brutality may attract psychopathic nutters to their ranks and give them a psychological edge in combat, and from their standpoint there must be something to be said for that. But surely their leaders must realise their harshness discredits fundamentalist Islam and that alienating everyone will inevitably mean they are eventually crushed, as it appears they are being.

I believe it was set up and is controlled from behind the scenes (or was at the outset) by ex-officers from Saddam Hussein's Mukhabarat. So maybe it has been some long-running black op to actually discredit the idea of militant Islamism, implausible though that sounds.

[NotAllThere]

Propaganda can be true.

Trouble is PG believes it because he read it. If it turns out not to be true, then he'll just dismiss every account of ISIS as propaganda...

...well, ok, he won't, because logic isn't his strong point.

Frankly, I don't think they'd do this. Too much effort. More likely they gave her the leavings of their own goat dinner and just told her it was her child. Which of course isn't any better at all.

Nasty little ****ers.

[northernladyuk]

At least we have the proof, just there, that The Mail has always being a remarkably consistent paper.

Unlike others I could mention

There's always the Mail in 1900.

There were Russian Jews, Polish Jews, German Jews, Peruvian Jews: all kinds of Jews, all manner of Jews. They fought and jostled for the foremost place at the gangways; they rushed and pushed into the troopshed, where the mayor of Southampton... had provided free refreshments. They had breakfasted well on board, but they rushed as though starving at the food. They cursed if they were not quickly served, they helped themselves at will, they thrust the children to the background, they pushed the women... they jostled and upset the weak, they spilled coffee on the ground in wanton waste.

Incredible as it may seem, the moment they were in the [rail] carriages they played all manners of games at cards, staking sovereigns on a single card. These were the penniless refugees, and when the relief committee passed by they hid their gold and fawned and whined and... asked for money for their train fare.

[MrMarkyMark]

Although ironically:

'The way stateless Jews from Germany are pouring in from every port of this country is becoming an outrage . . .' In these words, Mr Herbert Metcalfe, the Old Street magistrate, yesterday referred to the number of aliens entering the country through the 'back door' - a problem to which the Daily Mail has repeatedly pointed.

Daily Mail, August 20, 1938

At least we have the proof, just there, that The Mail has always being a remarkably consistent paper.

Unlike others I could mention