Reply to: Leaked Labour manifesto

[shaunbhoy]

Labour have no chance as long as they have a "post-turtle" in charge.

For those that don't know what one of those is, it is something you might see when you drive down a country road and find a fence post with a turtle balanced on top of it.
You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do now that he IS up there, he's elevated beyond his ability to function, and you just wonder what kind of dumb arse ever put him up there!!

[jamesbrown]

The Tory policy process is top down. I prefer the Labour process, but it doesn't change the reality of their leadership. May is an oddity in that she moots/advocates policies that extend from the far right (naming and shaming employers of foreign workers) to the far left (low-level meddling in corporate affairs and pricing). As I've said before, she's a very weird hybrid, i.e. shamelessly seeking to maximise her vote . I dare say her own beliefs flow seamlessly from those of Nick Timothy, who's a well-known social reformist (in the Chamberlain mould), and I think many will be surprised at how un-Tory she turns out to be, set loose from the shackles of Hamface.

Shocked.

Gosh, I wonder what all those rights for self-employed workers might prelude.

[SueEllen]

Be afraid, be very afraid

British voters overwhelmingly back Labour’s manifesto policies, poll finds | The Independent

What's in the Tory one - sorry Mrs May one?

Just the words "Strong and stable government"?

[jamesbrown]

Be afraid, be very afraid

British voters overwhelmingly back Labour’s manifesto policies, poll finds | The Independent

"Do you want an ice cream today that the big, high earning, meanies will pay for tomorrow: yes/no?".

Gosh. I'm shocked

[oscarose]

Blah blah blah

And for the hard of thinking, I STILL support Corbyn.

Good point, well made.

[BlasterBates]

Be afraid, be very afraid

British voters overwhelmingly back Labour’s manifesto policies, poll finds | The Independent

[d000hg]

Blah, blah, blah

Has it occurred to you, in seeking to champion the underdog as always, that even Corbyn isn't dumb enough to show his true colours with complete candour? (although they're pretty obvious to most of us who are not entirely deluded)

Blah blah blah

I've consistently said that I disagree with Corbyn's policies and think he's a crap leader. Nowhere am I championing him. But don't let that get in your way. Can we say "confirmation bias?"

It's "obvious" that the Tories are going to scrap the NHS if you go on Facebook and that anyone who doesn't agree is "deluded". What's "obvious" to partisan people is rarely objectively true.


This is doing the rounds on FB right now for instance - I don't think I agree but at least it's some kind of argument rather than just stating things are "obvious" because they happen to be your personal viewpoint and you're too arrogant to conceive that any other view is anything other than "deluded".



And for the hard of thinking, I STILL don't support Corbyn.

[WordIsBond]

Only when Tory scum are in power, once Labour are in, they will pay what is due.

You're right. If they stay in the country and keep making money here, they'll pay what is due. And then, they'll increase prices so their after-tax take is the same. And everyone will say, "Good for Labour, they made those evil corporations pay what they should." And then walk into the shops and pay extra money for goods and services. But the corporations will have paid, so Britain will be "fairer."

But of course, some of them will leave. People will lose their jobs. And the tax take will be lower because all those evil rich people and corporations left, so debt which our children and grandchildren have to pay will go higher and higher. But it will be "fairer." Not fairer for my grandkids, but "fairer" for all those people who think evil corporations and rich people are all that is wrong with Britain today.

[AtW]

I think many will be surprised at how un-Tory she turns out to be

She will ensure that Tory Scum party is out of power for a few decades

[jamesbrown]

Are we to expect Mein Kampf from May & co?
All their ferocity is turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals.

The Tory policy process is top down. I prefer the Labour process, but it doesn't change the reality of their leadership. May is an oddity in that she moots/advocates policies that extend from the far right (naming and shaming employers of foreign workers) to the far left (low-level meddling in corporate affairs and pricing). As I've said before, she's a very weird hybrid, i.e. shamelessly seeking to maximise her vote . I dare say her own beliefs flow seamlessly from those of Nick Timothy, who's a well-known social reformist (in the Chamberlain mould), and I think many will be surprised at how un-Tory she turns out to be, set loose from the shackles of Hamface.

[AtW]

'ave it

[WTFH]

The only reason the Labour manifesto isn't an ode to Das Kapital is the checks and balances within their internal policy making process (i.e. the Clause V process that is happening today).

Are we to expect Mein Kampf from May & co?
All their ferocity is turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals.

[jamesbrown]

Sorry but no, the Labour party has until recently been extremely centrist. Firstly, Corbyn himself is quite left wing but certainly not extreme. Secondly, the policies are less left-wing than Corbyn is himself.
To claim Corbyn is centrist within the Labour party is the opposite of the truth. The PLP is firmly centrist and Corbyn is left-wing by comparison with the PLP.

Just because you don't like left-wing political views doesn't make them more left-wing. Neither do we need to claim they are extremist views to discredit them. That's what the leftist campaigners are doing but in reverse... talking about "lurching towards the far right". It's equally ludicrous. Both are main parties are still centrist, they're simply slightly less bang-on central now.

You totally missed my point . He is central within the Labour bureaucracy. He is on the far left of the party's loose collection of ideologues, as I stated before. The only reason the Labour manifesto isn't an ode to Das Kapital is the checks and balances within their internal policy making process (i.e. the Clause V process that is happening today). Let's be clear, Corbyn and McDonnell are extremists in every sense of that word (you might take your own advice on history lessons ), but they are diluted by some of Labour's internal processes.

[Moose423956]

"Reserve 4,000 homes for rough sleepers" - from the BBC's summary

Might be worth sleeping rough for a few nights to get a place to live provided by the state. In the summer, obviously.

[OwlHoot]

Sorry but no, the Labour party has until recently been extremely centrist. Firstly, Corbyn himself is quite left wing but certainly not extreme. Secondly, the policies are less left-wing than Corbyn is himself. ...

Blah, blah, blah

Has it occurred to you, in seeking to champion the underdog as always, that even Corbyn isn't dumb enough to show his true colours with complete candour? (although they're pretty obvious to most of us who are not entirely deluded)

He is desperately trying to sound reasonable and plausible, and has obviously fooled you. But if by some ghastly mischance he was ever elected, we'd soon find out just how left-wing he is!