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Previously on "Are IT developers the stupidest people on earth ?"
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostJeez, how dull. You're probably not on very much at all for all the stress, what?
Get re-trained on something more cutting edge for fooks sake - HEOR bods are on a grand a day and rising, doing much more socially useful work for normal hours.
But perhaps your maths skills aren't all that.
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostI doubt you add much value to anything at all, as you're incapable of learning your native tongue.
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Originally posted by Fronttoback View PostUnless you are balls deep in a large modern system you cannot comment on modern development.
I deal with millions of lines of code (done over 20 years by 100s of guys in many different styles, so most of which i didn't write) that I have to constantly move forward under time pressure without breaking anything. And then hundreds of millions of pounds go through that code every day. If I break it, bad things happen.
Tinkering in your bedroom with a ZX81 30 years ago,
or knocking up a bit of VB to help out a spreadsheet, or writing a query to get some info from a database - is a completely different kettle of fish. It's fun, it's not stressful, and it's low complexity. You won't get called at 3am by a trader in Honkers who has spotted a spike in profits due to something you did 6 months ago. And he's been trading off that position for weeks thinking it was correct (this happened to my.. err..pal).
Get re-trained on something more cutting edge for fooks sake - HEOR bods are on a grand a day and rising, doing much more socially useful work for normal hours.
But perhaps your maths skills aren't all that.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostAnd it's about the skill level of the offshore resources I'm currently dealing with.
The are so utterly dumb. On the other hand it's doing wonders for the English vocabulary of the two German interns we have in the office.
Us Not sure what else "please extract all records from jan 1st 2014 inclusive" could mean.
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Originally posted by Fronttoback View PostTinkering in your bedroom with a ZX81 30 years ago,
or knocking up a bit of VB to help out a spreadsheet, or writing a query to get some info from a database - is a completely different kettle of fish. It's fun, it's not stressful, and it's low complexity...
The are so utterly dumb. On the other hand it's doing wonders for the English vocabulary of the two German interns we have in the office.
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Unless you are balls deep in a large modern system you cannot comment on modern development.
I deal with millions of lines of code (done over 20 years by 100s of guys in many different styles, so most of which i didn't write) that I have to constantly move forward under time pressure without breaking anything. And then hundreds of millions of pounds go through that code every day. If I break it, bad things happen.
Tinkering in your bedroom with a ZX81 30 years ago,
or knocking up a bit of VB to help out a spreadsheet, or writing a query to get some info from a database - is a completely different kettle of fish. It's fun, it's not stressful, and it's low complexity. You won't get called at 3am by a trader in Honkers who has spotted a spike in profits due to something you did 6 months ago. And he's been trading off that position for weeks thinking it was correct (this happened to my.. err..pal).Last edited by Fronttoback; 19 April 2017, 12:18.
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I started in IT automating what people had previously been doing manually. The impact was huge. That was the early 70s and what had taken an entire department of maybe 10 -15 people all month suddenly was completed in a day. Even before I was in IT I remember doing overtime putting pricing information into a new system. All the previous jobs were made redundant.
Recently I was running projects to automate insurance bordereaux and call centre correspondence routing. The potential impact was much lower. And it was much, much harder to make progress. It's easy to automate simple tasks but a lot of what people actually do (even in ostensibly simple, repetitive tasks) is frighteningly variable, unpredictable and requires initiative, judgement, creativity, networking, risk assessment etc etc .
So automation is nothing new. It's really just hype. It's the old, old story: will the loss of existing jobs be compensated by the creation of new (less boring?) opportunities.
Who can say - but one fact is that since the 70s, income for the vast majority of people has stagnated. The rich have got vastly richer but the rest of us have been treading water at best. So you might guess that employment will still be available but the trend towards slowly declining wealth and tougher working conditions (except for the top 1%) will continue.
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Originally posted by NorthWestPerm2Contr View PostSure you can do some powerful stuff with them but without a background in data you won't have a clue.
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Originally posted by thunderlizard View PostSQL. BASIC. Visual Basic. Rational. XAML. Business Objects. I have lost count of all the new technologies I have lived through that were intended to be so simple the end users could make their own software without needing developers, but ended up being more things for developers to do.
Sure you can do some powerful stuff with them but without a background in data you won't have a clue.
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThe only difference between now and 30 years ago, is that what was high-level then is a mere component in a library now.
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