Reply to: Feckless self-employed to pay more tax for boomers' social care

[SueEllen]

yuhu turn

Theresa May DEFENDS Chancellor's manifesto tax raid | Daily Mail Online

Dividend allowance decreased to £1000 and dividend tax increased to 8.5% because it's only fair. Plus normal people put their shares in an ISA.....

[vetran]

yuhu turn

Theresa May DEFENDS Chancellor's manifesto tax raid | Daily Mail Online

Tory tax retreat after just 24 hours: Theresa May steps in after furious MPs rebel over the £2billion Budget blow to self-employed
The Prime Minister moved to delay legislation on the £2 billion hike in NI
Some Tory MPs have demanded the Government think again about hike
Ministers condemned for breaking a pledge not to increase NI for five years
But Theresa May insisted ministers had not broken the manifesto promise

[BlasterBates]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...eviousReleases

...and still fewer births in total than there were in the 1960's.

Where is the population explosion ?

[darmstadt]

PS Oh! A joke

An old one, there are newer but I'm sure you know how to use Google: Britain is the biggest exporter of people in the EU - Telegraph

[xoggoth]

Here's a little known fact, Britain is the biggest exporter of....migrants to the rest of EU...

PS Oh! A joke

[darmstadt]

Here's a little known fact, Britain is the biggest exporter of....migrants to the rest of EU...

[vetran]

This is from 2011.



What you see is the UK population is not a pyramid as it normally is when the population is growing. The other thing you notice is in the group with the most new migrants, i.e. 20 something, the population is lower than the 45-55 (now 50-60) so there is no bulge coming through after the baby boomers. The second thing is the dearth of teenagers (note the graph is 5 years old). so there will be a problem over the next ten years of a substantial number of people leaving the workforce and not being replaced.

i.e. there is no new "migrant boomer" bulge coming through in 50 years.

There are still less babies being born than during the baby boom, in the 1950's and 1960's so I fail to see how the population is going to "explode".

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...eviousReleases

Over a quarter (27.5%) of live births in 2015 were to mothers born outside the UK, the highest level on record.

[BlasterBates]

Assume you mean this? The biggest population with a nation our size? Insane.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../population.eu

This is from 2011.



What you see is the UK population is not a pyramid as it normally is when the population is growing. The other thing you notice is in the group with the most new migrants, i.e. 20 something, the population is lower than the 45-55 (now 50-60) so there is no bulge coming through after the baby boomers. The second thing is the dearth of teenagers (note the graph is 5 years old). so there will be a problem over the next ten years of a substantial number of people leaving the workforce and not being replaced.

i.e. there is no new "migrant boomer" bulge coming through in 50 years.

There are still less babies being born than during the baby boom, in the 1950's and 1960's so I fail to see how the population is going to "explode".

[xoggoth]

If you check the demographics....
Not something you're going to read in the Daily Mail though.

Assume you mean this? The biggest population with a nation our size? Insane. It will be the tuliptiest place to live on Earth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../population.eu

For ever expanding the population is the daftest solution possible. The UK, and eventually the Earth, has limited resources. The better solutions are increasing time people spend working, reduction of welfare, increasing use of technology to do many jobs and, just maybe, abandoning the daft idea that our wealth has to grow every year.

[LondonManc]

Longer term, unless the Earth's human population declines significantly, I can see old timers being compelled to emigrate to settlements on Mars and the Asteroid belt etc as a condition for further medical care.

I know that must sound absurdly futuristic and implausible. But assuming off-Earth colonies do take off in the coming decades and centuries it makes much more sense to reserve Earth for young people, especially in relation to child birth and growing up in full gravity, and for older people to leave them more room and brave the extra cosmic radiation while developing and maintaining colonies.

The Logan's Run solution no longer appeal now you're getting on a bit then?

[northernladyuk]

Longer term, unless the Earth's human population declines significantly, I can see old timers being compelled to emigrate to settlements on Mars and the Asteroid belt etc as a condition for further medical care.

I know that must sound absurdly futuristic and implausible. But assuming off-Earth colonies do take off in the coming decades and centuries it makes much more sense to reserve Earth for young people, especially in relation to child birth and growing up in full gravity, and for older people to leave them more room and brave the extra cosmic radiation while developing and maintaining colonies.

So Brexit 2.0

[OwlHoot]

If you check the demographics you'll find there will be less retired people in 50 years, that's even with the "mass migration", unless people live in even longer.

Not something you're going to read in the Daily Mail though.

Longer term, unless the Earth's human population declines significantly, I can see old timers being compelled to emigrate to settlements on Mars and the Asteroid belt etc as a condition for further medical care.

I know that must sound absurdly futuristic and implausible. But assuming off-Earth colonies do take off in the coming decades and centuries it makes much more sense to reserve Earth for young people, especially in relation to child birth and growing up in full gravity, and for older people to leave them more room and brave the extra cosmic radiation while developing and maintaining colonies.

[SueEllen]

Well there are about 20-30% less teenagers than there are 50-60 year olds.

The average age in this country is 40.

Countries with more young people e.g. Turkey the average is 30-31

[BlasterBates]

significantly less or just pedantic less? How?

Are you saying the old age problem is transitory?

Well there are about 20-30% less teenagers than there are 50-60 year olds.

[northernladyuk]

significantly less or just pedantic fewer? How?

Are you saying the old age problem is transitory?

FTFY