Reply to: European Commission isn't happy with us

[SueEllen]

Interesting linky on SE's linky just in case any missed it. All developing nations - presumably old cars, lower technology generally.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...harm-than-good

European etc fuel distillers sell developing countries poor quality fuel they can't sell in developed countries as they are banned due to environmental regulations. Hence a lot of the pollution from cars, HGVs, buses, generators etc is due to them using poor quality fuel.

[xoggoth]

Interesting linky on SE's linky just in case any missed it. All developing nations - presumably old cars, lower technology generally.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...harm-than-good

[LondonManc]

Don't be silly.

They started it by complaining about our pollution when it's exacerbated by them.

[xoggoth]

It isn't the main factor, see map below, but pollution is going to be related to population, so adding 5%+ to our population due to EU migration is hardly helping. Among other measures, we need a more sensible economic model that does not depend on making our nation more and more overcrowded.

Actually we don't look that bad on the map here, some parts of Eastern & Southern Europe look worse and you don't want to live in China!

Air Pollution in United Kingdom: Real-time Air Quality Index Visual Map


PS

like 4 other countries, will be taken to the European court of Justice. linky

Is that a stinky linky?

[vetran]

I can't tell whether you're deliberately changing the subject because you're wrong, or whether you're just babbling.

Either way, it's the CSE stream for you, laddy!

as I said tell the BBC its their story.

[northernladyuk]

well apparently no one imposed fines despite France committing an illegal act for years so yes you are right it doesn't help.

I can't tell whether you're deliberately changing the subject because you're wrong, or whether you're just babbling.

Either way, it's the CSE stream for you, laddy!

[vetran]

'From' is a rather vague word in this case, isn't it? The Commission can propose the fines but it is the ECJ that imposes the fines. There are some further logical clues within the article, for example:



To quote assguru:

well apparently no one imposed fines despite France committing an illegal act for years so yes you are right it doesn't help.

If you are quoting Assguru to support your argument then you must know you have already lost

[northernladyuk]

So do I, the French owe the ECJ around 7.2M euro's. I think we (as a full member of the EU) should also ensure that the damage to our economy is also repaid in full, wouldn't want the criminals getting away with it again would we?

Tell me about the 7.2 million. Is this an unpaid fine?

In terms of criminality, was a criminal law broken? If so, which one?

In terms of damage, is France legally accountable for that damage? If so, on what legal basis?

[northernladyuk]

Strange the bit of the story I quoted seems to disagree with you, how are you doing on the AssGuru logic free method course then?

'From' is a rather vague word in this case, isn't it? The Commission can propose the fines but it is the ECJ that imposes the fines. There are some further logical clues within the article, for example:

The Commission had applied to the court for the hefty daily fines until France agreed to accept British beef, but the case was still pending when France lifted its ban.

To quote assguru:

HTHBIDI

[SueEllen]

Indeed. We can sue them for polluting us

Don't be silly.

[NigelJK]

I think the law should be applied

So do I, the French owe the ECJ around 7.2M euro's. I think we (as a full member of the EU) should also ensure that the damage to our economy is also repaid in full, wouldn't want the criminals getting away with it again would we?

[LondonManc]

Good job we're leaving the EU, won't have to put with that anymore.

Indeed. We can sue them for polluting us

[vetran]

The relevant part of the article, I think, is:



It doesn't look to me as if the BBC article states that the Commission can fine anyone.

As an aside, I do blame Thatcher for abolishing O levels, with their more rigorous English Language comprehension test. It has been downhill ever since, and it is a parlous background against which to hold a national referendum on such a complex matter. But it is done now, and I fear that those who supported Brexit will be those least equipped to deal with it.

Strange the bit of the story I quoted seems to disagree with you, how are you doing on the AssGuru logic free method course then?

France has escaped the threat of huge fines from the European Commission over its illegal ban on British beef imports.
The Commission withdrew the proposed $161,400 (£100,000) a-day penalties against France because they cannot be imposed retrospectively.

[northernladyuk]

Better tell the BBC then its their story.

The relevant part of the article, I think, is:

June 2002: Commission asks European Court to impose daily fines of £100,000 against France

It doesn't look to me as if the BBC article states that the Commission can fine anyone.

As an aside, I do blame Thatcher for abolishing O levels, with their more rigorous English Language comprehension test. It has been downhill ever since, and it is a parlous background against which to hold a national referendum on such a complex matter. But it is done now, and I fear that those who supported Brexit will be those least equipped to deal with it.

[northernladyuk]

Think it does say ECJ (as per my reply) in the article, although I'd agree it's difficult to tell the ECJ and the EUC (and their objectives) apart.

So you think that if I got a speeding ticket I'd not have to pay the 'fine' because the case was brought retrospectively. Does that sound right? Only if you're a shortsighted Europhile (this is my new insult to remainers).

I think the law should be applied. What do you think?