Reply to: Just so I get it right

[PurpleGorilla]

I am a permie.

What you on CUK for then?

[NigelJK]

Successful business is the one that makes lots of profit

Well that's the modern view. A more pragmatic approach is that the art of Business is to stay in Business.

[AtW]

You encourage business by helping companies to be successful, not just by giving share-holders a sweet deal. Now whether the government is doing that either, is a different question Apparently Brexit means huge opportunities for UK companies

Successful business is the one that makes lots of profit, otherwise it's not a successful business.

If shareholders are not getting a sweet deal, then why would they invest?

The real annoyance is that shareholders from OUTSIDE of UK are getting nice sweet deal with low CT, but UK shareholders are fooked because they are mugs enough to be robbed by Tory Scum.

For most companies Brexit is going to be real tulip.

[AtW]

It is a shocker, you are still quids in compared to a permie though.

I am a permie.

[d000hg]

If Liebor increased dividend tax then it would be understood, but Cons doing it is total betrayal of entrepreneurship. d

Given that you aren't hit hard by the new rules until you're already earning quite a lot, really? By the time you start paying a lot more you are already earning far more than you would as a permie so this is not a deterrent to real entrepreneurs.

As I said - take a salary if you don't like dividends and CT. Your salary will offset your CT

You encourage business by helping companies to be successful, not just by giving share-holders a sweet deal. Now whether the government is doing that either, is a different question Apparently Brexit means huge opportunities for UK companies

[AtW]

So pay yourself a salary instead then. And CT is dropping year by year.

СT was dropping to make UK more competitive, I'd prefer if they kept it at 28% and 40% income tax band.

If Liebor increased dividend tax then it would be understood, but Cons doing it is total betrayal of entrepreneurship.

I ain't much for begging! Nobody ever gave me nothing! So I say ****** that thing! Let's fight it!

[sasguru]

and the obstinate, donkey-like stupidity of Dim Prawn, AKA Dawn Primarolo

That woman is one of the few politicos I loathe with a deep and abiding passion.

[d000hg]

How about we put things in context: money are taxed at 20% and then at 38.1%, that's pretty fooking loads given that top end income tax rate is 45%.

So pay yourself a salary instead then.

And CT is dropping year by year.

[PurpleGorilla]

How about we put things in context: money are taxed at 20% and then at 38.1%, that's pretty fooking loads given that top end income tax rate is 45%.

If it was 10% and 10% again then that would be fine even if it's double taxation, it's not fine when combined total is well over highest rate of income tax.

It is a shocker, you are still quids in compared to a permie though.

[AtW]

Spouting terms like "double taxation" is misleading. If I tax you 10%, then 10% again on what's left that's double taxation. But that's better than being taxed once at 20%... so the fact it's double taxation alone is meaningless.

How about we put things in context: money are taxed at 20% and then at 38.1%, that's pretty fooking loads given that top end income tax rate is 45%.

If it was 10% and 10% again then that would be fine even if it's double taxation, it's not fine when combined total is well over highest rate of income tax.

[AtW]

Time to leave the CUK and become President of the Isle of Man I think.

FTFY

[OwlHoot]

It (IR35) was never really a political thing, it was something the treasury had been trying for years, but Thatcher and Major knocked back. It was only the inexperience of New Liebor that permitted it to be attempted.

and the obstinate, donkey-like stupidity of Dim Prawn, AKA Dawn Primarolo

[SueEllen]

What tax breaks??? If company is paying corp tax that should be recognized in the dividends tax, which is levied on same money. It's double taxation in the first place, at least taking paid into account would be fair option - pound for pound paid at least.

Cons failed to drop tax back to 40% that th ey said was right level, instead they increased fivudeends tax so thst it became at worse level than under 50% Liebir.

The rich pay dividends to offshore holding companies, they are not affected.

This betrayal will cost Tory Scum

Time to leave the UK and become resident of the Isle of Man I think.

[d000hg]

What tax breaks???

If you weren't aware of them then you haven't lost out

Spouting terms like "double taxation" is misleading. If I tax you 10%, then 10% again on what's left that's double taxation. But that's better than being taxed once at 20%... so the fact it's double taxation alone is meaningless.

Get on with your coding and hire someone to manage the business side of things for you. Or wait until Theresa's race to the bottom.

[AtW]

Pro business doesn't have to mean lucrative tax breaks for the rich. That's the Labour view of a Tory government, that all they do is help the rich. Are your socialist roots showing again?

What tax breaks??? If company is paying corp tax that should be recognized in the dividends tax, which is levied on same money. It's double taxation in the first place, at least taking paid into account would be fair option - pound for pound paid at least.

Cons failed to drop tax back to 40% that th ey said was right level, instead they increased fivudeends tax so thst it became at worse level than under 50% Liebir.

The rich pay dividends to offshore holding companies, they are not affected.

This betrayal will cost Tory Scum