Reply to: Welcome to "Negotiating capital"

[GB9]

Nope, you're ****ed as Theresa Mayhem wants to get rid of all that

I think he's aware of that......

[darmstadt]

Surely there would be Human Rights Legislation to protect us against such an eventuality?

Nope, you're ****ed as Theresa Mayhem wants to get rid of all that

[GB9]

UK can guarantee easily on its own sovereign territory that any EU citizen who was here for X years before referendum to be entitled to UK permanent residence if they wish so.

What UK can't do is start negotiations with other EU nations about similar guarantees, that can only happen after Article 50 - a gesture of good will would have gone a long way to have smooth negotiations.

Like feck it would. Don't you remember, the EU wants to punish us.

If they want to stick rigidly to the rules then that's what will happen. I have said before and will say again, the EU Commission doesn't care about its people. It cares about itself. The Governments will care about their people which is why the EU Commission is doomed.

[northernladuk]

who would of thunk it about the same as they got it wrong by with the Polish.

Oh maybe someone wanted cheap labour??

Exactly. That's what's so incredible. They had a the figures of how far wrong they got it last time!!

[AtW]

Personally I would have stopped visa free entry for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals already. Quite why these countries were allowed into the EU is beyond me, and I have been there recently.
Those rushing in now to claim they were here before the cut off date should be stopped.

You can't do it, they are EU countries.

[vetran]

Didn't they say they only expected 200k or something to come when they opened the doors. On what planet do they live on when they make these numbers up.

Ah.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/287

Only got it wrong by a factor of 8 it appears.

who would of thunk it about the same as they got it wrong by with the Polish.

Oh maybe someone wanted cheap labour??

[northernladuk]

Personally I would have stopped visa free entry for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals already. Quite why these countries were allowed into the EU is beyond me, and I have been there recently.
Those rushing in now to claim they were here before the cut off date should be stopped.

Didn't they say they only expected 50k a year or something to come when they opened the doors. On what planet do they live on when they make these numbers up.

Ah.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/287

Only got it wrong by a factor of 8 it appears and that was in 2013

[CoolCat]

Personally I would have stopped visa free entry for Romanian and Bulgarian nationals already. Quite why these countries were allowed into the EU is beyond me, and I have been there recently.
Those rushing in now to claim they were here before the cut off date should be stopped.

[shaunbhoy]

if we agree to give them a right to remain unilaterally we might end up with Scooter, Darmy & Assguru deported to the UK

Surely there would be Human Rights Legislation to protect us against such an eventuality?

[AtW]

Actually somebody has and the Government has replied it is unable to do so as we are unable to negotiate yet. This has been seized as evidence of the UK holding EU citizens hostage.

UK is indeed holding EU citizens hostage - look at Home Office refusals remanding EU citizens LEAVE UK now before they get UK permanent residence, that's bulltulip.

UK will most certainly be forced to run amnesty to illegals here, might as well guarantee permanent residence to any EU citizen who was resident here before referendum for say 12 months - a copy of EU passport + utility bill should be enough for ILR stamped in local police office.

[vetran]

Nobody has asked the UK to guarantee anything, as such a guarantee would be meaningless insofar as it related to matters that cannot be subject to negotiations until after Article 50.

The government won't be at a disadvantage because of any guarantees it does or doesn't offer. It will be at a disadvantage because the UK has nothing of any real value to offer the EU as it leaves, and therefore cannot ever hope to achieve anything that might be seen as a successful Brexit even by the most cluelessly optimistic. They're just trying to divert attention away from this very obvious fact, and hoping somewhere down the line to create a general feeling that the inevitable failure is the fault of the EU and not HMG, by making statements that are essentially content-free but which they hope will muddy the waters a little.

Actually somebody has and the Government has replied it is unable to do so as we are unable to negotiate yet. This has been seized as evidence of the UK holding EU citizens hostage.

I can't see the success of negotiations being down to an Organisation that refuses to let us go YMMV.

[AtW]

And when the UK does the EU will rub its hands and decide they can extract a concession for doing the same when they finally agree to come to the table.

EU will be forced to reciprocate.

That would have been great negotiating tactic to deal with it first, but after Article 50 (since before EU can't discuss it), once you get EU to say Yes once, then it would have been much easier to deal with other items on agenda.

May & Co are muppets who will run this country off the cliff.

[vetran]

UK can guarantee easily on its own sovereign territory that any EU citizen who was here for X years before referendum to be entitled to UK permanent residence if they wish so.

What UK can't do is start negotiations with other EU nations about similar guarantees, that can only happen after Article 50 - a gesture of good will would have gone a long way to have smooth negotiations.

And when the UK does the EU will rub its hands and decide they can extract a concession for doing the same when they finally agree to come to the table.

The EU is fighting for its existence, wait till France & Italy vote. Lets hope its all unraveling back to a trading bloc.

[NickFitz]

Then why is it such an issue for you lot that the UK won't guarantee something now in accordance with EU rules? Bit of a non story really.

Nobody has asked the UK to guarantee anything, as such a guarantee would be meaningless insofar as it related to matters that cannot be subject to negotiations until after Article 50.

The government won't be at a disadvantage because of any guarantees it does or doesn't offer. It will be at a disadvantage because the UK has nothing of any real value to offer the EU as it leaves, and therefore cannot ever hope to achieve anything that might be seen as a successful Brexit even by the most cluelessly optimistic. They're just trying to divert attention away from this very obvious fact, and hoping somewhere down the line to create a general feeling that the inevitable failure is the fault of the EU and not HMG, by making statements that are essentially content-free but which they hope will muddy the waters a little.

[vetran]

Then why is it such an issue for you lot that the UK won't guarantee something now in accordance with EU rules? Bit of a non story really.

Haven't you got it yet?

“Four legs good, two legs bad.”

EU Good, UK Bad.