Reply to: Built in Obsolescence and decay

[d000hg]

They're building housing estates like mad where I live, and everyone it brick built, traditional construction with 1000's of workers involved, taking over 12 months to complete each one.

AI/Robots threat is 100 years off. I will be retired and living the high life in 5 years.

Modular houses are however becoming more popular in other nations. In the UK you see them on Grand Designs quite often but I don't think they are very popular.

However presumably commercial property is likely to go this route if it didn't already?

[MrMarkyMark]

No he's right. In Cambridge there's a row of five new houses being built (where the Penny Ferry pub used to be) and these have been in progress for well over a year now and are still not finished.

Meanwhile, over the road a whole new estate of blocks of flats has gone up and been finished in literally a quarter of the time.

I would guess the first bunch of houses has had what might be called borderline finance, with a small private developer scrabbling around for funds at each stage, whereas the flats have been built by a larger company with presumably more than adequate cash flow and its own trademen always available.

They are either speculating hoping the prices go up, or have temporarily run short of "spare" money.

[OwlHoot]

******* hell are they using blind one legged people to build them? An intire block of stone flats just went up in Bath the whole process was about a month...

No he's right. In Cambridge there's a row of five new houses being built (where the Penny Ferry pub used to be) and these have been in progress for well over a year now and are still not finished.

Meanwhile, over the road a whole new estate of blocks of flats has gone up and been finished in literally a quarter of the time.

I would guess the first bunch of houses has had what might be called borderline finance, with a small private developer scrabbling around for funds at each stage, whereas the flats have been built by a larger company with presumably more than adequate cash flow and its own trademen always available.

[LondonManc]

Mouse utopia!

Interesting. 'Universe 25' and 'behavioral sink' added to the memory bank.

No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis.
Lewis Mumford, The City in History.

So basically London then...

Certainly explains the more relaxed way of life in Devon and Cornwall....

"When's the next bus?"
"Ah, Tuesday I think."

[vetran]

And fall down in three years? Maybe...

When I worked near Lausanne there was roadworks to convert a t-junction to a roundabout. A year later is was still in progress. Near where I live, in a French town across the border, they converted a similar junction to a roundabout over a weekend.

one of them was paid for with EU money Seemples

[NotAllThere]

******* hell are they using blind one legged people to build them? An intire block of stone flats just went up in Bath the whole process was about a month...

And fall down in three years? Maybe...

When I worked near Lausanne there was roadworks to convert a t-junction to a roundabout. A year later is was still in progress. Near where I live, in a French town across the border, they converted a similar junction to a roundabout over a weekend.

[vetran]

Indeed if you see some previous posts 3D printing buildings does look like the way forward, a whole shell can be printed in days.

If that is so its not far off that standard wiring harnesses (like cars) will follow. Numbered connections on the entry to each room or an IDC on each floor.

A wet harness is the next step, supply & waste all rolled in.


its in a decade max.

[Flashman]

But the thing that struck most was Mouse Utopia

How Mice Turned Their Private Paradise Into A Terrifying Dystopia


How 1960s Mouse Utopias Led to Grim Predictions for Future of Humanity | Smart News | Smithsonian

Mouse utopia!

Interesting. 'Universe 25' and 'behavioral sink' added to the memory bank.

No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis.
Lewis Mumford, The City in History.

So basically London then...

[Flashman]

Saw this last night had a few interesting points about jobs slowly disappearing and UBI.

But the thing that struck most was Mouse Utopia

How Mice Turned Their Private Paradise Into A Terrifying Dystopia


How 1960s Mouse Utopias Led to Grim Predictions for Future of Humanity | Smart News | Smithsonian

Mouse utopia!

Interesting. 'Universe 25' and 'behavioral sink' added to the memory bank.

No small part of this ugly barbarization has been due to sheer physical congestion: a diagnosis now partly confirmed with scientific experiments with rats – for when they are placed in equally congested quarters, they exhibit the same symptoms of stress, alienation, hostility, sexual perversion, parental incompetence, and rabid violence that we now find in the Megalopolis.
Lewis Mumford, The City in History.

So basically London then...

[bobspud]

They're building housing estates like mad where I live, and everyone it brick built, traditional construction with 1000's of workers involved, taking over 12 months to complete each one.

AI/Robots threat is 100 years off. I will be retired and living the high life in 5 years.

******* hell are they using blind one legged people to build them? An intire block of stone flats just went up in Bath the whole process was about a month...

[DimPrawn]

Actually there are already manufacturers that build the houses in two parts. They build the ground floor and deliver the fully built first floor to site complete with fitted bathrooms.

It's not to hard to see that done with printing/robotic processes. Especially now all homes are supposed to by built for wheel chairs

They're building housing estates like mad where I live, and everyone it brick built, traditional construction with 1000's of workers involved, taking over 12 months to complete each one.

AI/Robots threat is 100 years off. I will be retired and living the high life in 5 years.

[bobspud]

Lets see AI/robots rewire a house, or build an extension, or convert a loft.

Future is in the building trade. IT is fooked though.

Actually there are already manufacturers that build the houses in two parts. They build the ground floor and deliver the fully built first floor to site complete with fitted bathrooms.

It's not to hard to see that done with printing/robotic processes. Especially now all homes are supposed to by built for wheel chairs

[vetran]

Lets see AI/robots rewire a house, or build an extension, or convert a loft.

Future is in the building trade. IT is fooked though.

indeed, however one of the points they made was that as the middle class were laid off there would be less money about so trades would be poorer.

They think the IT thinkers will stay but I suspect they will be offshored.

So that's me sparky to the stars!

Have a play with this:

Will a robot take your job? - BBC News

[DimPrawn]

Lets see AI/robots rewire a house, or build an extension, or convert a loft.

Future is in the building trade. IT is fooked though.

[SueEllen]

Southern rail strikes: Fresh disruption as latest walkout begins - BBC News

The sooner all trains are driverless the better. And cars....

As soon as Govia Thameslink feck off the better.