Reply to: Them Tories are going mad mental

[northernladyuk]

Absolute tulipe.

Place is an absolute bombsite, they are prostituting their children and robbing pensioners at knife point.

I'm in the area fairly often, this is normal...

At least they've kept the library open so you've got somewhere warm to go on signing-on day.

[SueEllen]

Our Polish Builder who was excellent he was indeed half the price of the equivalent British one , he was as busy as local ones but he managed to convince us he would produce a quality job something most of the others failed to do. He even turned up on time and spoke clearly and frequently about progress.

Our structural Engineer is British & lovely.

The British tradesmen myself and a few of my friends' have had problems with have been electricians.

The rest whether European - and some of them pretend to be Polish but aren't - or British have done a good quality of work.

[The_Equalizer]

There's nothing of the sort. It is possible not to share an opinion and not dislike at the same time you know. But we all see things how we want to.

But your view of the English and South-East is one I know to be untrue. We only eat babies every second Sunday.

[scooterscot]

Your massive anti-English bent. Having lived in Northern Ireland I've seen pepole with very similar opinions to yours. I'll hazard a guess that you were brought up in a part of Scotland that suffered from sectarian problems.

There's nothing of the sort. It is possible not to share an opinion and not dislike at the same time you know. But we all see things how we want to.

[vetran]

Completely untrue and I live in London.
We use people that the family have known and used for years with no problem.

Seems its actually you that have an issue and are prejudice against indigenous people around you?

Our Polish Builder who was excellent he was indeed half the price of the equivalent British one , he was as busy as local ones but he managed to convince us he would produce a quality job something most of the others failed to do. He even turned up on time and spoke clearly and frequently about progress.

Our structural Engineer is British & lovely.

[vetran]

It seems to me we often forget the reciprocal agreements that take place allowing me to work in Germany, although not born here. Do you really want me back?

Our population compared to other corners of the world is not that big, such as Singapore or Hong Kong. The housing problem is a legacy from Thatcher days gone by selling council houses and not replacing them. Stupid.

If our population were half I'd guarantee you and all white British workers they'd still be exploited by UK plc. Mark my words.

We've been a nation chasing short-term goals. That's our downfall.

These reciprocal arrangements were always available. I have plenty of friends who have emigrated both in & out of the EU yes they had to satisfy some reasonable requirements of the host country but most higher qualified / achieving people would have no difficulty. So if you can convince your host country I'm sure you would have no problem staying. The freedom of movement rules would mean little to us.

Our population is growing 0.6% a year mainly via immigration, our Island is about the same size. If you want to live in a broom cupboard then go for it.

Of the few hundred thousand of council houses sold in Thatchers era would cover a year or two of current immigration & births. 1.8 million council houses have been sold due to the Right to Buy scheme. Of course once sold the houses don't disappear or lay empty people actually live in them afterwards so they have little impact on the housing shortage. They do however mean areas improve and they were a good way to turn council estate no go areas to partial ownership. The only effect they have on housing demand is they remove the subsidised housing so loved by famous council tenants like Bob Crowe.

Basic economics if you make a resource scarce then customers either pay more for it (wages & benefits go up) or they avoid buying it by mechanising or growing their own (productivity or training goes up). The more power Employees have the less they get abused.

If business becomes harder we will try harder.

[The_Equalizer]

What ARE you talking about?

Your massive anti-English bent. Having lived in Northern Ireland I've seen pepole with very similar opinions to yours. I'll hazard a guess that you were brought up in a part of Scotland that suffered from sectarian problems.

[scooterscot]

It boils down to some childhood grievance. He's not yet said what. Fancy enlightening us Scooter?

What ARE you talking about?

[xoggoth]

Can't see that requiring companies to reveal number of foreign workers helps in any way and probably will just increase prejudice.

Leaving aside the separate issue of asylum seekers, what we need are proper strict immigration controls to ensure that nobody comes here whose presence does not significantly outweigh any problems they add due to increased population. We need stricter, more sensible citizenship tests too. Instead of asking daft questions about who built the Tower of London etc. they should have tests to ensure people understand our laws, accept our major principles and are prepared and able to integrate.

This stuff some post about the lazy British etc, even if it is true, is not a reason to bring in migrants. Unless we tackle the problems of lax welfare, poor education or whatever else is causing our problems, then sooner or later those wonderful migrants are going to end up with the same problems. The reality is, although we are not supposed to say it, is that migration over the last 70 years has given us some of the worst performing groups.

[The_Equalizer]

My apologies, went for core of the argument rather than ScoterScot's bigoted opinion of England.

It boils down to some childhood grievance. He's not yet said what. Fancy enlightening us Scooter?

[The_Equalizer]

I think you need to take a minute to consider that not all of England is in the same state.

I have just spent the last 10 years or more renovating a barn conversion in the west country using only local trades people. I would not recommend it for fun but it worked out pretty well for me and them and our local economy. Would I have the same luck in London? probably not.
but I learned very quickly that hiring a tradesman needs to be done on recommendation not a phone book.

Absolutely agree with this. Had a small-ish bedroom plastered on Wednesday which involved all walls being skimmed. Very nice chap, came recommmended and I've used him several times. £130 all in and top quality job.

[scooterscot]

Poorly put but broadly yes.

but should we treat people who weren't born here or haven't been accepted as citizens exactly the same as those who were?

Should we continue to increase our population to hold wages down?

Should we accept people we know are not who they say they are?


I assume you believe English students should get free Education in Scotland then?

It seems to me we often forget the reciprocal agreements that take place allowing me to work in Germany, although not born here. Do you really want me back?

Our population compared to other corners of the world is not that big, such as Singapore or Hong Kong. The housing problem is a legacy from Thatcher days gone by selling council houses and not replacing them. Stupid.

If our population were half I'd guarantee you and all white British workers they'd still be exploited by UK plc. Mark my words.

We've been a nation chasing short-term goals. That's our downfall.

[TestMangler]

I've touched a nerve.

The SNP always like to keep the Nazi connections hidden.

Says the guy who condones the bombing of shopping centres.

Nothing to say about your IRA links with Germany then or did that not happen ?

[MrMarkyMark]

Have you tried to call a polish plumber (car mechanic, carpenter, plasterer etc) and ask for a quote?
2-3 times cheaper than indigenous tradesman.

The price aside;Have you used a local tradesman? Do you know the tulip quality of the work they do and the time it takes them to do it?

Try all above. Then start preaching about locals doing stuff. Huge % of the locals are brain dead (this forum population excluded, mostly).

Completely untrue and I live in London.
We use people that the family have known and used for years with no problem.

Seems its actually you that have an issue and are prejudice against indigenous people around you?

[vetran]

I would not go that far. But would you agree with:

Poorly put but broadly yes.

but should we treat people who weren't born here or haven't been accepted as citizens exactly the same as those who were?

Should we continue to increase our population to hold wages down?

Should we accept people we know are not who they say they are?


I assume you believe English students should get free Education in Scotland then?