Reply to: UK Is Now "At The Front Of The Queue" As America Rushes To Pass A Trade Deal

[darmstadt]

What about the capital markets union: https://infacts.org/uk-likely-miss-g...pital-market/? That would have been a feather in the hat of the City...

[minestrone]

Yes, like I said, they are negotiating texts, not the final wording. Anything in there is up for negotiation and may be modified or removed.

that's kind of a moot point but anyway you said "wording is still under negotiation and has yet to be published." when quite clearly the wording has been published and the guarantees are there.

[DaveB]

EU negotiating texts in TTIP - Trade - European Commission

Yes, like I said, they are negotiating texts, not the final wording. Anything in there is up for negotiation and may be modified or removed.

[Mordac]

You and I have always agreed the NHS needs a good dose of reality.

FTFY

[minestrone]

TTIP doesn't explicitly rule out anything at the moment as the wording is still under negotiation and has yet to be published.

The EU (you know, the one we are in the process of leaving) Commission *wants* to include specific provisions for state funded services such as the NHS, but that is no guarantee that it will.

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-tti...atisation-nhs/

EU negotiating texts in TTIP - Trade - European Commission

[Mordac]

I thought we were at the back and no one would do a deal blah blah tulipe.

It will be a lot easier to do a deal with us than reach agreement with the EU, although Owl is correct in pointing out we need to see the terms.

This is politics - everything you see and hear is bluster and bulltulipe until you see the final result - which as pointed out, needs to be good for both sides, not just them.

[DaveB]

You have claimed this before, TTIP explicitly rules out state controlled services like the NHS.

TTIP doesn't explicitly rule out anything at the moment as the wording is still under negotiation and has yet to be published.

The EU (you know, the one we are in the process of leaving) Commission *wants* to include specific provisions for state funded services such as the NHS, but that is no guarantee that it will.

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-tti...atisation-nhs/

[minestrone]

That's the agreement with the EU, what's the betting that "our" TTIP will be considerably less restrictive?

You and I have always agreed the NHS needs a good dose of the private sector.

[stek]

......to be shafted by the Septics.

[CretinWatcher]

You have claimed this before, TTIP explicitly rules out state controlled services like the NHS.

That's the agreement with the EU, what's the betting that "our" TTIP will be considerably less restrictive?

[BrilloPad]

I assumed that because the UK had tucked up the USA by leaving the EU and not being able to give them the inside track, the USA would take revenge.

[minestrone]

If it's TTIP, it's not good news. Would allow US companies to sue the British government if they don't get access to the NHS "market".

You have claimed this before, TTIP explicitly rules out state controlled services like the NHS.

[CretinWatcher]

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The Tories will probably push TTIP between the UK and the US whilst no one is looking.

If that hastens the bust up of the NHS I'm all for it.
We'll probably have to accept whatever deal the Yanks give us on their terms.
Without a credible Labour opposition, the Tories and their private interests can collude with their Yank business friends to carve up bits of the public sector between them.

[scooterscot]

If it's TTIP, it's not good news. Would allow US companies to sue the British government if they don't get access to the NHS "market".

We'll get to vote on that now we're out of the EU, don't you worry.

The Tories will probably push TTIP between the UK and the US whilst no one is looking.

[BlasterBates]

Informal talks are not negotiations. Sounds great in the beginning but when trade negotiations begin in earnest then all sorts of interest groups start jumping in which can then make the trade negotiations long and protracted. This all needs to start in Congress.

I don't think anyone disputes there will be trade agreements in place after the UK leaves the EU. If there aren't any then the UK ends up as an economic desert waste land.