Reply to: Countries preparing trade talks with the UK

[NigelJK]

Yes they could have spent that on their NHS

What 10 new hospitals a week? Not even the NHS wants that. Until they get their act together I'd say don't give them another penny.

[CretinWatcher]

And now gentlemen, I must leave you and do some work.
For my French client.
We're not going to save this country by chit-chatting you know.

[CretinWatcher]

I am not sure that the remainers have the wit to work out that the EU is an institution that represents a form of European integration. It is the incumbent so called governing body but it is not the de facto representation of Europe or European interests (far from it). Many Breixiters want EU integration but not on the terms currently on offer from the EU. It is a bit like having a software house that is entrenched into a company that makes change difficult and creates an infrastructure on which everyone relies upon. The supplier then begins to boss the business by dictating processes, architecture and just about everything else. The new director comes in redefines the requirements of the business and then puts it out to a host of suppliers including the in house function. The change may be painful and the incumbent will kick and scream but ultimately the choice is FIFO. The same process should be regularly applied to the EU

Thanks for that. Don't you have any staff to place?
Oh sorry, forgot that you voted to flush the UK economy down the toilet.

[CretinWatcher]

But in 2+ years time they will be having to cough up a further £350M per week!!!

Yes they could have spent that on their NHS. Oh wait .....

[DodgyAgent]

There exists the possibility that a completely revamped EU could emerge. As you point out, there will be many that will oppose any change, but they are all the ones that benefit the most and have least influence and bargaining power. The big players that are financially underpinning this sinking ship are likely to become restless as they find themselves shouldering more of the burden for the needy newcomers and basket-case mediterranean economies. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the whole project falls apart and the vacuum gets filled by a more sensible and less bureaucratic replacement run along some of the same lines. It may get messy but nothing truly worth having was ever gained easily.
I am up for the challenge anyway, and interesting times lie ahead.

I am not sure that the remainers have the wit to work out that the EU is an institution that represents a form of European integration. It is the incumbent so called governing body but it is not the de facto representation of Europe or European interests (far from it). Many Breixiters want EU integration but not on the terms currently on offer from the EU. It is a bit like having a software house that is entrenched into a company that makes change difficult and creates an infrastructure on which everyone relies upon. The supplier then begins to boss the business by dictating processes, architecture and just about everything else. The new director comes in redefines the requirements of the business and then puts it out to a host of suppliers including the in house function. The change may be painful and the incumbent will kick and scream but ultimately the choice is FIFO. The same process should be regularly applied to the EU

[shaunbhoy]

You certainly are an optimist
The problem is that Germany, which we all agree is the primary mover and shaker here, does rather well out of the EU and, so far, can afford the financial costs with ease.

But in 2+ years time they will be having to cough up a further £350M per week!!!

[CretinWatcher]

There exists the possibility that a completely revamped EU could emerge. As you point out, there will be many that will oppose any change, but they are all the ones that benefit the most and have least influence and bargaining power. The big players that are financially underpinning this sinking ship are likely to become restless as they find themselves shouldering more of the burden for the needy newcomers and basket-case mediterranean economies. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the whole project falls apart and the vacuum gets filled by a more sensible and less bureaucratic replacement run along some of the same lines. It may get messy but nothing truly worth having was ever gained easily.
I am up for the challenge anyway, and interesting times lie ahead.

You certainly are an optimist
The problem is that Germany, which we all agree is the primary mover and shaker here, does rather well out of the EU and, so far, can afford the financial costs with ease.

[shaunbhoy]

I think this probably because the Brits have worked out what a twat he is and sent him packing. Unfortunately he cannot bring himself completely stay away

Clinging on like a homesick turd!

[DodgyAgent]

AFAIK he's a Brit living in Germany that takes every opportunity he can to criticise the UK.

I think this probably because the Brits have worked out what a twat he is and sent him packing. Unfortunately he cannot bring himself completely stay away

[shaunbhoy]

FTFY

Not to Britain I'm not.

HTH

[darmstadt]

And I'm also an immigrant...

FTFY

[shaunbhoy]

Agree to a degree.
But I don't think they'll budge on Single Market (i.e. no tariffs)=Free Movement. That is one of the 4 pillars of the EU.
Why would they allow the benefits without the costs?
Everyone will want to exit, then.
The German manufacturers lobby will be on our side, a swathe of Eastern European countries with nothing to lose and a veto will be against us.
And contrary to popular opinion we have most to lose - our lifeblood, financial services.

There exists the possibility that a completely revamped EU could emerge. As you point out, there will be many that will oppose any change, but they are all the ones that benefit the most and have least influence and bargaining power. The big players that are financially underpinning this sinking ship are likely to become restless as they find themselves shouldering more of the burden for the needy newcomers and basket-case mediterranean economies. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the whole project falls apart and the vacuum gets filled by a more sensible and less bureaucratic replacement run along some of the same lines. It may get messy but nothing truly worth having was ever gained easily.
I am up for the challenge anyway, and interesting times lie ahead.

[CretinWatcher]

Tariffs are in nobody's best interests where both sides have much to offer the other.

Agree to a degree.
But I don't think they'll budge on Single Market (i.e. no tariffs)=Free Movement. That is one of the 4 pillars of the EU.
Why would they allow the benefits without the costs?
Everyone will want to exit, then.
The German manufacturers lobby will be on our side, a swathe of Eastern European countries with nothing to lose and a veto will be against us.
And contrary to popular opinion we have most to lose - our lifeblood, financial services.

[shaunbhoy]

You haven't provided a link but I'll take your data as accurate.
Point still stands, though, wherever in Europe British built cars are sold, they are mostly on the price sensitive end of the market, and with tariffs will not be competitive with the domestic competition.

2016 (Q1) France: Best-Selling Carmakers, Brands and Models


Tariffs are in nobody's best interests where both sides have much to offer the other. That is why they will not be implemented to any meaningful degree if at all.

[CretinWatcher]

In Q1 of this Year there were 516,392 cars sold in France of which Nissan managed 20,285 and Honda off the bottom of the chart at less than 4,000.
I don't regard less than 5% of the market as being "a lot". Do you?

You haven't provided a link but I'll take your data as accurate.
Point still stands, though, wherever in Europe British built cars are sold, they are mostly on the price sensitive end of the market, and with tariffs will not be competitive with the domestic competition.