Reply to: UK in Schengen?

[NigelJK]

look at all the totally useless when it comes to a crime being committed CCTV

FTFY

[stek]

And thank God we don't. If you want to live in a police state, I'm sure we can suggest a few for you...

We live in police state now - look at all the CCTV, an ID card makes no difference. My German mates have the old Reisepass, effectively an EU passport even for UK, or whatever it's called, no issue, but they don't have a zillion CCTV or speeding cameras to watch you.

I'd be happy with an ID card, I've nothing to hide...

[Mordac]

Malta has ID cards.

If the UK had ID cards, like the Blair government tried to bring in, then people wouldn't try and sneak in then use other people's national insurance numbers etc.

And thank God we don't. If you want to live in a police state, I'm sure we can suggest a few for you...

[SueEllen]

It makes sense for Malta.

Malta has ID cards.

If the UK had ID cards, like the Blair government tried to bring in, then people wouldn't try and sneak in then use other people's national insurance numbers etc.

[shaunbhoy]

I'm always willing to believe that you might eventually have a valid point

I don't know why you care, it would doubtless soar way over your empty old head.

[m0n1k3r]

Schengen doesn't make any sense for an island nation

It makes sense for Malta.

[darmstadt]

If EU migration had checks for serious offenders we would have seen a lot fewer violent crimes in the UK and we would have a lot fewer unpleasant EU citizens in prison (and we all know how hard it is to get a jail term in UK)

But...

The British government retains full control over its own border controls. Travellers who hold EU passports can’t cross the UK border without having their passport or identity checked, and the same applies for travellers from non-EU countries.
The UK can, and does, perform passport and identity checks at its borders and refuses entry to travellers who do not travel with valid identity documents even if they are from another EU member state.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...35:0048:en:PDF

EU Law Analysis: Free movement of murderers? EU law aspects of the Alice Gross case

In the case of the UK, I think you'll find it's quite likely either lax Border Agency workers (actually not enough of them due to Tory cuts) or they didn't know. In fact, 6,500 European criminals have been deported since 2010 because of the European arrest warrant system that comes from being in the EU. that could all change now, possibly...

[NotAllThere]

links to Daily Wail have been posted on this board and of course if you listened to the news reports of the Brexit campaign's own project fear you might be educated.

FTFY.

[vetran]

Actually there is, or shortly was (in the sense that we won't have access to it probably) a Europol database which had checks for serious offenders. We might lose that now.
Do you have any evidence for your statement? I'm always willing to believe that you might eventually have a valid point

links have been posted on this board and of course if you listened to the news you might be educated.

[CretinWatcher]

If EU migration had checks for serious offenders we would have seen a lot fewer violent crimes in the UK and we would have a lot fewer unpleasant EU citizens in prison (and we all know how hard it is to get a jail term in UK)

Actually there is, or shortly was (in the sense that we won't have access to it probably) a Europol database which had checks for serious offenders. We might lose that now.
Do you have any evidence for your statement? I'm always willing to believe that you might eventually have a valid point

[vetran]

You don't have to be serious. Unless they happened to be on some arrest on sight list pretty much everyone gets across in reality, even with proper passport checks.

Border controls are at best a seen to be doing something solution rather than a doing something solution.

If EU migration had checks for serious offenders we would have seen a lot fewer violent crimes in the UK and we would have a lot fewer unpleasant EU citizens in prison (and we all know how hard it is to get a jail term in UK)

[vetran]

Hey! My dog is Scottish and he doesn't like Mars bars.

you tried deep frying them? otherwise they think they are health bars.

[Mordac]

Hey! My dog is Scottish and he doesn't like Mars bars.

I'd keep that to yourself if I were you, he'll need a visa soon...

[VectraMan]

The Paris lot came from Brussels. Yes, you're probably right, anyone serious about crossing the border would have no trouble, but removing border controls is not part of the solution.

You don't have to be serious. Unless they happened to be on some arrest on sight list pretty much everyone gets across in reality, even with proper passport checks.

Border controls are at best a seen to be doing something solution rather than a doing something solution.

[barrydidit]

The smell of whisky, deep fried mars bar and shame is normally enough to give it away. Eau de Jock.

Hey! My dog is Scottish and he doesn't like Mars bars.