Reply to: The Official "There will be no Brexit" Thread

[NigelJK]

Just skipped the last few pages of self serving twaddle to add that the law is this:

Step 1: The current PM asks the Foreign Office to initiate Article 50. The Lisbon treaty is a Foreign office polivy document and it has to come from there and only the PM can ask for it. There is no act required.

Step 2. The 2 year MAXIMUM deadline includes negotiations that lead to a clean cut from the EU (the Union not the trade), this involves negotiating extra powers for the devolved Governments (Scotland, NI, Wales) so that they can enact their versions of CAP etc.

It should be noted that these so called trade treaties have little or no influence on small businesses. I'd personally like to see (corporate) taxation at the point of sale being a major point of these discussions.

[vetran]

It's a she, not a he, unless Sarah Vine is a man in drag and Gove is a homosexual.
Also, I think that you missed the point completely.
Which way did you vote again, you seem to be a bit hard of thinking?

I understood the point to be stop whinging and get fixing.

[CretinWatcher]

Start a poll asking which is thicker - you or BobSpud.

Only if you start a poll asking who loves money more - you or Gordon Gekko.

[BrilloPad]

There's no some about it.

Start a poll asking which is thicker - you or BobSpud.

[CretinWatcher]

Its alright go back to sleep he isn't talking about Bremainers he said the Clever people.

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It's a she, not a he, unless Sarah Vine is a man in drag and Gove is a homosexual.
Also, I think that you missed the point completely.
Which way did you vote again, you seem to be a bit hard of thinking?

[CretinWatcher]

As you have probably figured out I'm pretty thick skinned. Although some may want to finish that last sentence at thick

There's no some about it.

[vetran]

"Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of wingeing and raging about the outcome of a democratic vote... the clever people ... would turn their thoughts to making this a positive moment for the country by offering to lend advice and expertise. "

Its alright go back to sleep she isn't talking about Bremainers she said the Clever people.

I think you mean he was being statesman like and building consensus not scrambling for power like the other politicians.

[bobspud]

Would you like me too?

As you have probably figured out I'm pretty thick skinned. Although some may want to finish that last sentence at thick

[CretinWatcher]

The quandary we have around democratic deficit (and I do agree that not following through on the referendum is democratically appalling) is that we have two options now:

1. Find a way (government inaction, Parliamentary chicanery, election, 2nd referendum) to overturn the referendum, leading to popular indignation etc. that the electorate were duped by a branch of the political élite, or
2. Follow through on the referendum and end up in a place where all the Leave campaign lies are revealed, leading to popular indignation etc. that the electorate were duped by a branch of the political élite.

It's a tricky one. Probably best is a GE and then letting things land how they land. Glad I'm not in the UK.

Gove's gone AWOL since that the shocking (to him) result. He doesn't want to touch it with a bargepole.
Mind you he did say "The country's had enough of experts".

Although Mrs Gove has just come out and said:
"Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of wingeing and raging about the outcome of a democratic vote... the clever people ... would turn their thoughts to making this a positive moment for the country by offering to lend advice and expertise. "

In other words, my husband cocked it up, please, clever experts, can you fix it?



Honestly you couldn't make it up.

[Old Greg]

Yes. I'm selfish. Would you like me to feel ashamed?

Would you like me too?

[bobspud]

And it's all about you, isn't it?

Yes. I'm selfish. Would you like me to feel ashamed?

The problem with almost breaking a country is you might break it.

True but for most people playing nice hasn't brought them a yacht and trophy wife... So what the hell why wouldn't they try something else.

To be fair I don't think they wanted to break the country.
The vast majority (including many on here) did not have the numeracy, analytical skills or critical faculties to work out what the consequences of their vote were going to be.
Quite a few seem to think that Leave means all immigrants must Leave
Quite a few didn't seem to know what the EU was.
Quit a few didn't know that the deal we had was that we didn't have to ever join political/economic union, we could just keep reaping the benefits of the single market
Quite a few (including some on here) thought that Britain was a superpower being held back by the EU
Quite a few didn't really understand that 1% of GDP is chump change in the big scheme of things
Quite a few thought that the UK can be self-sufficient with any immigrants at all.

and so on.

Yes all very true. But most of all the public have been listening to the narrative that has been set on the EU UK relationship over the past 30 years and wanted change.

[AtW]

Yes because the poor already are poor. Its hard to loose 70% on your portfolio when its already 0 The state WILL feed them and HOUSE them if need be.

In crisis the poor always get hit most, you just think that they can't get any poorer - it's very much possible, say pension funds losing 70% of portfolio are going to spread the pain outwards.

[Old Greg]

Ah yes I lumped that in the UK is a superpower category

The quandary we have around democratic deficit (and I do agree that not following through on the referendum is democratically appalling) is that we have two options now:

1. Find a way (government inaction, Parliamentary chicanery, election, 2nd referendum) to overturn the referendum, leading to popular indignation etc. that the electorate were duped by a branch of the political élite, or
2. Follow through on the referendum and end up in a place where all the Leave campaign lies are revealed, leading to popular indignation etc. that the electorate were duped by a branch of the political élite.

It's a tricky one. Probably best is a GE and then letting things land how they land. Glad I'm not in the UK.

[CretinWatcher]

Some appear to still believe that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, so the EU will agree for the UK to retain free access to the single market without allowing the free movement of individuals.

Ah yes I lumped that in the UK is a superpower category of the myth taxonomy

[Old Greg]

To be fair I don't think they wanted to break the country.
The vast majority (including many on here) did not have the numeracy, analytical skills or critical faculties to work out what the consequences of their vote were going to be.
Quite a few seem to think that Leave means all immigrants must Leave
Quite a few didn't seem to know what the EU was.
Quit a few didn't know that the deal we had was that we didn't have to ever join political/economic union, we could just keep reaping the benefits of the single market
Quite a few (including some on here) thought that Britain was a superpower being held back by the EU
Quite a few didn't really understand that 1% of GDP is chump change in the big scheme of things
Quite a few thought that the UK can be self-sufficient with any immigrants at all.

and so on.

Some appear to still believe that the EU needs the UK more than the UK needs the EU, so the EU will agree for the UK to retain free access to the single market without allowing the free movement of individuals.