Reply to: Without the EU there would be no Angry Birds!

[GJABS]

If someone's getting a hundred times more in benefits than they generate by working then our society is fundamentally screwed whatever happens.

The best thing governments can do for business and industry is get out of the way. I'm sure most people here would agree. EU freedom of movement is probably the greatest example of that we have. Weird that so many here want to take choice away from business and give more power to the government.

While the "hundred" figure is an exaggeration for effect, it is still the case that many people coming into the country will contribute less than they take, factoring in the whole of life (old age care). Therefore the country, led by the government, should be choosing who to have, for the overall benefit of the British people.

Yes it is good for governments to get out of the way of business and industry for those matters that business and industry are directory involved with. But it is not good for government to get out of the way of things directly influenced by welfare, pensions, and other things directly controlled by government. And since a major influence on decisions to immigrate to the UK is the availability of government benefits like the NHS, education and pensions etc, the government should be the entity controlling this, not businesses who have no direct involvement.

[VectraMan]

It may be very different, but in my opinion it is better for local governments to control who can come in.
Companies will hire in people who are good for the company - this might not align with who is good for the country as a whole, taking into account the fact that the person will be consuming public services. For example the country as a whole does not benefit if the person coming in makes a pound profit for the company (generates tax revenue), but costs the welfare state a hundred times as much.

If someone's getting a hundred times more in benefits than they generate by working then our society is fundamentally screwed whatever happens.

The best thing governments can do for business and industry is get out of the way. I'm sure most people here would agree. EU freedom of movement is probably the greatest example of that we have. Weird that so many here want to take choice away from business and give more power to the government.

[BrilloPad]

Makes you wonder how Google and Amazon survive....

By paying almost no tax. Quite legally.

Branding needs to be made non tax deductible. On a prospective basis.

[GJABS]

No matter how you look at it that's very different from having to get support from your local government for permits or whatever.

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but giving companies the right to hire whoever they want is still much better.

It may be very different, but in my opinion it is better for local governments to control who can come in.
Companies will hire in people who are good for the company - this might not align with who is good for the country as a whole, taking into account the fact that the person will be consuming public services. For example the country as a whole does not benefit if the person coming in makes a pound profit for the company (generates tax revenue), but costs the welfare state a hundred times as much.

[Mordac]

no they wouldn't they would stay stiff!

Stiffer than him, you mean...

[vetran]

Even the one's who choose suicide should be more than a match for you performance...

no they wouldn't they would stay stiff!

[VectraMan]

The article suggests that the EU allowed the Finland-based company behind Angry birds to recruit developers from around Europe. This is true. But it would be wrong to suggest that the EU was a requirement for this; as an alternative, the Finland national government could have allowed the company to do that recruitment from Europe, without any involvement with the EU. The only requirement being that Finland was not a member of the EU.

It's wrong to suggest the EU allowed this. Being in the EU gives every Finland-based company the right to hire whoever it wanted from anywhere in the EU, and those EU citizens had the right to apply for a job anywhere in the EU. That means not having to ask anyone, not least the EU, or worry about their ability to hold onto someone they might have invested time and effort in. No matter how you look at it that's very different from having to get support from your local government for permits or whatever.

Of course people can and always will be able to work in other countries, but giving companies the right to hire whoever they want is still much better. I used to work with an Australian (first person I ever interviewed in fact). Which was great; we liked him, he wanted to stay, but after 2 years he basically got kicked out of the country. Trying to keep him was more effort than a small business like ours could reasonably handle, so instead he went back to Australia and set up a remote office there with another couple of people. Jobs that could have been in Britain. Great work there Britain!

[Mordac]

They will be, as they won't be able to match my performance.

Even the one's who choose suicide should be more than a match for you performance...

[FatLazyContractor]

If it's angry birds you want, just send FLC into a room full of women. Jobby doney.

They will be, as they won't be able to match my performance.

[PurpleGorilla]

Do you think there would have been Google or Amazon existing if USA was split into separate states???

There is a reason why there are no equivalent companies in EU.

California on its own would do just fine.

[Mordac]

If it's angry birds you want, just send FLC into a room full of women. Jobby doney.

[AtW]

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Why did Angry Birds fly? Thanks to European cooperation | Kati Levoranta | Opinion | The Guardian

Makes you wonder how Google and Amazon survive....

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Do you think there would have been Google or Amazon existing if USA was split into separate states???

There is a reason why there are no equivalent companies in EU.

[PurpleGorilla]

Well Google was co-founded by an immigrant: Sergey Mikhaylovich Brin is a Russian-born American computer scientist, internet entrepreneur, and philanthropist (not AtW) and Amazon relies on a lot of low paid immigrants to work in their warehouses...

Apple then, or Facebook, or Microsoft...

[darmstadt]

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Why did Angry Birds fly? Thanks to European cooperation | Kati Levoranta | Opinion | The Guardian

Makes you wonder how Google and Amazon survive....

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Well Google was co-founded by an immigrant: Sergey Mikhaylovich Brin is a Russian-born American computer scientist, internet entrepreneur, and philanthropist (not AtW) and Amazon relies on a lot of low paid immigrants to work in their warehouses...

[Flashman]

The rolling European Disaster Mechanism known as the 'euro' has had a little fun with Finland.

....The euro has also robbed the economy of the freedom to devalue its currency - the tried and tested instrument the Finns have used to extricate themselves from the midsts of their deepest depressions.

The Finns were one of the first economies to follow Britain’s lead and abandon the inter-war Gold Standard in 1931. They also moved to a free floating exchange rate at the height of a banking crisis following the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90s. In the aftermath of both episodes, the country was able to get back on its feet through reflationary export-led booms.

Coupled with the declining fortunes in erstwhile national giant Nokia, and economic crisis in neighbouring Russia, Finland's likely outgoing premier Alexander Stubb, has bemoaned a “lost decade” under the monetary union.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...o-project.html

Finexit !