Reply to: If DC thinks Brexit is such a bad idea, why do we get to vote?

[LondonManc]

Filthy animal.

But what about the thing eating it?

[DimPrawn]

Well the entire South American continent including Brazil and some Asian countries such as Thailand already have visa free travel to the EU Schengen area.

Visa free travel doesn't mean you have the right to stay, it means you can travel for 90 days without a visa. and in any case they'll still need a visa to go to the UK.

Nothing to do with visas. Once in, they have the same rights as you and I, to free housing, free healthcare, free schooling, freedom to claim all and every benefit, freedom from deportation. You will have no more rights than they do.

Your agrument has zero relevance to what is being orchistrated as we speak.

[BlasterBates]

Yet. Due to "special circumstances" around Syria, they will get a free pass VERY soon. Some unknown, unelected person or persons in Brussels will tick the boxes for them.

Well the entire South American continent including Brazil and some Asian countries such as Thailand already have visa free travel to the EU Schengen area.

Visa free travel doesn't mean you have the right to stay, it means you can travel for 90 days without a visa. and in any case they'll still need a visa to go to the UK.

[DimPrawn]

I don't have a problem with the campaign arguments. I particularly like the Brexiteers getting hysterical about Turkish immigration. Shame they didn't check that Turkey actually isn't in the EU

Yet. Due to "special circumstances" around Syria, they will get a free pass VERY soon. Some unknown, unelected person or persons in Brussels will tick the boxes for them.

[BlasterBates]

I don't have a problem with the campaign arguments. I particularly like the Brexiteers getting hysterical about Turkish immigration. Shame they didn't check that Turkey actually isn't in the EU

[DimPrawn]

The EU Referendum by Pollstation

Looks like everyone wants to stay in the EUssr.

[jamesbrown]

It's called democracy... they promised to give a referendum pre-election and DC also made clear the government would not be neutral.

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There's a difference between making a case forcefully and hysterically, in order to frighten people into a position. Both sides have been hysterical at times, but the Gov't machine needs to be held to higher standards. When you have an HMT perm secretary signing off (on the front page) on an epically dodgy dossier and Hamface lobbying big businesses for Brexit warnings while contemporaneously telling parliament that "he rules nothing out" (to give two or many possible examples), you know there's something fundamentally corrupt at the heart of Gov't. I'm not naive about this, I fully expected a hard fight, but if Hamface thinks he's walking the line here, he's utterly deluded. There's no way he'll avoid a vote of no confidence, regardless of the outcome. He'll win, but Hamface and Gidiot will be lame ducks. He'll have to nominate a date (much earlier than 2019) or face getting zero Gov't business through. Won the battle, lost the war.

[d000hg]

Are we now like North Korea where we get a "free vote" and are told what our vote should be?

It's called democracy... they promised to give a referendum pre-election and DC also made clear the government would not be neutral.

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[PurpleGorilla]

Filthy animal.

[DimPrawn]

[Flashman]

Just another 4 weeks , 3 days until we get rid of the EU, Goldman Sachs and that twat Osborne.

[darmstadt]

All the UKIPers can man machine guns at points of entry to ensure no immigrants get in......

**** me, Dad's Army all over again

[centurian]

We're having a referendum because DC wanted to make sure that anti-Euro Tories didn't vote UKIP instead. The fact is this referendum has happened because of party politics - nothing really to do with democracy, or what's good for the country. All about getting elected.

A party feeling forced to make a promise - and following through on it - because they are afraid the electorate won't vote for them.

Unfortunately, that IS democracy in action...

[DodgyAgent]

All the UKIPers can man machine guns at points of entry to ensure no immigrants get in......

I have some Poles lined up to "staff" the Bofors anti aircraft guns (they don't like it up em!)

[DodgyAgent]

Losing appears to be the best thing that could possibly have happened to the SNP. Similarly if Brexit is defeated then it'll be a huge boost to UKIP; they may even get a second MP. No wonder they've been trying so hard to lose the argument.

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