Reply to: So thickos support Brexit and the more intelligent support staying in

[seanraaron]

And when Scotland votes independent we can direct them on the M6 up to you.

That would be welcome actually. Seeing labour courting the xenophobe vote in the first decade of this century was really annoying when we needed more bodies up here, as is the prohibition on asylum seekers working when some of them have needed skills.

[diseasex]

UK has paid about 1/4 Trillion Pounds into EU blackhole since it joined.

I wonder what the UK would look like if we had invested this money in this countries future instead?

I would suspect we would be the richest, healthiest and best educated country in the World if we had.

Not exactly, you get at least 1/3 of it in trade increase by investing in less developed countries. And thats profiting for years

[DimPrawn]

We could of course take the money we pay the EU and spend it on something else.

UK has paid about 1/4 Trillion Pounds into EU blackhole since it joined.

I wonder what the UK would look like if we had invested this money in this countries future instead?

I would suspect we would be the richest, healthiest and best educated country in the World if we had.

[diseasex]

Migration is good for your country.
But what you need is to stop immigration for few years, build infrastructure, schools, houses, hospitals, and get more again .
Theres place for everyone just it should be slightly slower

[NigelJK]

the government the tax payer you no doubt voted for who always pays for stopped this austerity BS and properly funded things like the NHS, schools and transport

Governments spend your money where they think they will pick up the most votes, in your case on those things above if you swing left.

[vetran]

Apparently the Central European states will be perfectly happy to vote the UK a special deal that gives them free trade, but allows them to deport all their citizens (which is apparently a prime motivator for quitting the EU in the first place).

Seriously outies: read the above sentence out loud and see if it makes any sense.

it doesn't but sense is not something innies are good at.

[The_Equalizer]

Apparently the Central European states will be perfectly happy to vote the UK a special deal that gives them free trade, but allows them to deport all their citizens (which is apparently a prime motivator for quitting the EU in the first place).

Seriously outies: read the above sentence out loud and see if it makes any sense.

And when Scotland votes independent we can direct them on the M6 up to you.

[vetran]

Too late, i'm here and getting UK passport this year.

good, welcome to the UK.

the assumption people's dislike of uncontrolled immigration has something to do with prejudice not pragmatism is a lie perpetrated by those who profit from it.

[diseasex]

and if we had a shortage in your profession we could grant a work Visa, your effect on wages & the community would be positive.

Too late, i'm here and getting UK passport this year.

[seanraaron]

Tell that to Switzerland.

Apparently the Central European states will be perfectly happy to vote the UK a special deal that gives them free trade, but allows them to deport all their citizens (which is apparently a prime motivator for quitting the EU in the first place).

Seriously outies: read the above sentence out loud and see if it makes any sense.

[vetran]

I'm Polish and I live in the strict centre and I'm not cheap!

and if we had a shortage in your profession we could grant a work Visa, your effect on wages & the community would be positive.

[VectraMan]

A trade agreement is totally different from agreeing to free movement of people.

Tell that to Switzerland.

[The_Equalizer]

And none of this will change if you want to be in the EEA after quitting the EU - why is that so hard to understand? The massive strain would be alleviated somewhat if the government you no doubt voted for stopped this austerity BS and properly funded things like the NHS, schools and transport and changed rules around who could buy housing and why.

Everything isn't the fault of immigrants!

A trade agreement is totally different from agreeing to free movement of people. Cameron is a lying toad. What happened to the 'no ifs, no buts' cutting immigration down to tens of thousands? He and you are saying that in or out of the EU makes no odds, we just have to take this on the chin.

I'm not daft enough to think that that it's all the fault of immigrants, but adding such vast numbers of people into the UK isn't possible and there are obvious signs all about us. The NHS continues have vast sums poured into it. The building of houses and schools just can't keep up. Meanwhile the standard of living of current residents continues to slip. You are now suggesting the regulation of the housing market by changing the rules of who can buy a house. How would that work? Billionaire Russians can't buy houses? Oh, and you're wrong on the voting front.

[seanraaron]

Strain on housing, welfare, Crime, healthcare of course are nothing to do with Immigration - you are Diane Abbot and I claim my free public school education.

We could of course take the money we pay the EU and spend it on something else.

Or raise (and collect) corporation tax or not renew trident or raise income tax or VAT or whatever is needed to pay for the things that people want. Preventing non-residents from buying property or strongly discouraging buy-to-let to ensure affordable properties aren't snapped up by speculators would also be a good thing.

Deporting all non-citizens and blocking immigration will not magically solve any of these things.

[diseasex]

It's hardly surprising that lower-skilled workers are less in favour Europe.

Unchecked migration has pushed down their job prospects, pushed up their housing costs and undermined their sense of community.

On the other hand middle-class left leaning Guardian reading bores love to prattle on about how lovely their Polish gardener is. And how cheap! But of course the Polish and Romanian staff cannot afford to live anywhere near by.

I'm Polish and I live in the strict centre and I'm not cheap!