Reply to: You must make everything Agile!!!

[bobspud]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/agile-dead-matthew-kern

Read that yesterday... Please god let it be true...

[fool]

Devops is the new agile, which is to say its technical people rejecting crappy process, leading to a boom, then the business people cotton on stuff it full of process.

Everyone wants those buzzword day rates and people have to find a way to justify themselves. Just pay it lip service and ride the wave before the proccess experts who deliver nothing are involved. Everyone decent knows theres no silver bullet anyways.

[NotAllThere]

That's pretty daft... but I've been surprised how often what you've described happens within an organisation!

I've just ranted to one of the managers in charge... he's looking into it. He thinks they've brought it in from outside not realising the client might have their own standards already that they're quite happy with. Funny thing though - they've a source code review process that looks mightily similar to one I wrote for another company in the same industry over ten years ago. I suspect they've had consultants in.

[WTFH]

Ah, corporate standards. You can't beat them. Most of the time they don't exist.

[ShandyDrinker]

I need to remember that. Just got access to a new SAP system (non-validated) at the client site. They sent my four documents to read and sign to confirm I've read them. One of them covers coding style -

• insists on a self-inconsistent Hungarian notation (using prefixes to indicate type, even though the language is strongly typed)
• insists on a 20 line comment header for each method
• insists that changes are indicated by comments and that code is never deleted during maintenance - just commented out - even though there's a perfectly viable and easy to use version management system.

Now, the client gets what the client wants. I could live with that. Except I'm also developing on four other system streams (some validated), and while for those streams the standards are harmonious, the ones for this new system are in direct contradiction. So for the same client, with the same language and the same technology, I'm supposed to use a different coding style.

Madness, I tell you, madness.

That's pretty daft... but I've been surprised how often what you've described happens within an organisation!

[NotAllThere]

Happy days, keep smiling keep invoicing

I need to remember that. Just got access to a new SAP system (non-validated) at the client site. They sent my four documents to read and sign to confirm I've read them. One of them covers coding style -

• insists on a self-inconsistent Hungarian notation (using prefixes to indicate type, even though the language is strongly typed)
• insists on a 20 line comment header for each method
• insists that changes are indicated by comments and that code is never deleted during maintenance - just commented out - even though there's a perfectly viable and easy to use version management system.

Now, the client gets what the client wants. I could live with that. Except I'm also developing on four other system streams (some validated), and while for those streams the standards are harmonious, the ones for this new system are in direct contradiction. So for the same client, with the same language and the same technology, I'm supposed to use a different coding style.

Madness, I tell you, madness.

[Mordac]

Never done Agile, at 56 years young am I too old................
And would I have to start wearing T shirts then?

I have a Waterfall in my Garden it usually has some Ducks, Geese and the odd Sheep crapping in it regularly does that help improve delivery?

Nope, but at least you'll have a nice view out of the kitchen window when the browny stuff hits the whizzy thing...

[SueEllen]

I make some of my living coaching Agile. Smoke and mirrors.

Don't tell them.

[Lockhouse]

I make some of my living coaching Agile. Smoke and mirrors.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Agile's better when you pay it lip service.

Have your daily scrum then just deliver stuff. Shove your pair-programming up yer arris, go and hi-five with HR, not me and no, not everything fits an Agile approach you brain-washed plum.

Must say, though, the OP talking about an African banging his drum sounds a bit Frankie Boyle.

ALthough daily scrums & pair programming have nothing much to do with Agile.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Kelly something or other.

Waters?

[ClothCap]

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/agile-dead-matthew-kern

[DallasDad]

Never done Agile, at 56 years young am I too old................
And would I have to start wearing T shirts then?

I have a Waterfall in my Garden it usually has some Ducks, Geese and the odd Sheep crapping in it regularly does that help improve delivery?

[original PM]

Agile's better when you pay it lip service.

Have your daily scrum then just deliver stuff. Shove your pair-programming up yer arris, go and hi-five with HR, not me and no, not everything fits an Agile approach you brain-washed plum.

Must say, though, the OP talking about an African banging his drum sounds a bit Frankie Boyle.

Yup it's just doing what you are paid to do in a different environment but if the people are muppets it will still fail.

[DimPrawn]

^This