Reply to: The middle class is in for a tax shock

[d000hg]

You CAN get rich without screwing people over and exploiting them - but there are always people who are happy to get even richer by doing so.

[MrMarkyMark]

One question to ask, if over history, the rich didn't feck the poor, how did they get so rich?

And, no, I'm no including those on benefits.

[d000hg]

That's you're evidence?

Rather a lot of evidence, yes.

Er, that's the point, how do you define it? I certainly don't include anyone who is living off the state.

Why do you take such pride in your ignorance?

[NigelJK]

Thousands of years of history?

That's you're evidence?

regardless how you define it.

Er, that's the point, how do you define it? I certainly don't include anyone who is living off the state.

[d000hg]

So the rich f**k the poor

Where's your evidence of this?

Thousands of years of history?

And whilst we're at it there are no more* 'poor' in this country

Are you livingi in a different country to the rest of us, or do you just mean you can't see any from your pad in the country? There are lots of poor, regardless how you define it.

[NigelJK]

Jaguar made £2.5billion profit

yeah so roughly £125M of that was from

from pressing bits of metal

. The profit is meaningless on it's own, we need the yield to know how well it's working. BTW you do realise that they manufacture in a number of countries now? and that they are owned by Tata?

So the design cost nothing, sold no cars and didn't generate any other profit and people just walked up to the factory gates and bought them?

BAE did alright making ships & planes and stuff from lumps of metal

Balls. Most of BAE work is electronic circuit boards and software to drive it. The bit of metal attached to the ICBM, Air craft etc is the cheap bit put together by highly skilled engineers.

Nissan UK doing alright

After huge subsidies from the UK taxpayer.

clicking a button to buy or sell shares

Put you tin foil hat back on, those 'share' weren't conjured out of thin air. They may even belong to Jaguar (Tata), Bloor Holding Ltd etc.

The company that build the software to do that also made a profit ...

Robert Preston meanwhile has never held a job making stuff & has always been a reporter so not sure what makes him qualified to comment

You're living up to your screen name there pal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Peston

He's more qualified to comment than you give him credit for.

So why does a line worker ('making stuff') have more to say on the running of a company than the directors or the economic forecasters or the investors?

[Troll]

95% of the profit of most products comes from the service side, 5% from the manufacture. (This figure comes from the BBC's Robert Preston who did a series examining the decline of manufacturing in this country).

Jaguar made £2.5billion profit from pressing bits of metal into shapes people want to buy
BAE did alright making ships & planes and stuff from lumps of metal albeit with some help from non manufacturing
Triumph motorcycles making money
Nissan UK doing alright
JCB £300m profit

Now it does take skill and resourcefulness in making a bit of metal into something and is certainly not as easy as clicking a button to buy or sell shares

Robert Preston meanwhile has never held a job making stuff & has always been a reporter so not sure what makes him qualified to comment

[d000hg]

What has Nigella got to do with this?

[PurpleGorilla]

The middle class is in for a tax shock

Damned either way we are - might be best to leave the country, but to where I do not know.

The Dagobah System?

[NigelJK]

So the rich f**k the poor over

Where's your evidence of this?

And whilst we're at it there are no more* 'poor' in this country, that's an insult to the hard working and tax paying of this country.

*Well statistically insignificant, and usually self inflicted

unfettered immigration which helps no-one but the rich

I assume you mean the rich employer? Real rich people don't have to work. Whilst I agree with the sentiment that companies that cynically employ 'cheap' labour from the continent depress Salaries and rates, there are as many UK businesses who will tell you a tale of posting jobs to the job centre and getting zero response.

And manufacturing jobs off-shored

95% of the profit of most products comes from the service side, 5% from the manufacture. (This figure comes from the BBC's Robert Preston who did a series examining the decline of manufacturing in this country).

So the poor have no route but benefits

See above re 'poor'. Working too good for them then?

And then they lose the vote

Lets hope so as it's obvious that the only vote they will cast is to vote themselves another payrise/more security in their chosen lifestyle.

Nice......

Well you did post on a forum where most have carved out a nice living by working hard, no doubt we're the very 'rich' of which you speak.

Why did your remark require a double ellipsis?

[BrilloPad]

Whilst we're at it remove the vote from those that contribute nothing to the countries coffers (they have no right to say how to spend it). Switch to a fairer system of 'social security' where by there is a safety net for those that find themselves (genuinely) looking for work and for those that live off the taxpayer some form 'contribution' to the nations well being.

So the rich f**k the poor over by unfettered immigration which helps no-one but the rich. And manufacturing jobs off-shored. So the poor have no route but benefits.

And then they lose the vote. Nice......

[NigelJK]

Whilst we're at it remove the vote from those that contribute nothing to the countries coffers (they have no right to say how to spend it). Switch to a fairer system of 'social security' where by there is a safety net for those that find themselves (genuinely) looking for work and for those that live off the taxpayer some form 'contribution' to the nations well being.

[BrilloPad]

This kind of attack on middle class will mean that the Tories will get so hammered at next elections, its inevitable that Corbyn will emerge winner by a landslide.

It means UKIP will win. Then we can send home the foreigners. And any UK citizen who lives abroad should lose their citizenship.

[ChimpMaster]

This kind of attack on middle class will mean that the Tories will get so hammered at next elections, its inevitable that Corbyn will emerge winner by a landslide. It could also mean that Tory party might shrink rapidly to a fringe party. You really need to consider voting for Corbyn next elections, he is the only politician who will listen to the voters and do what is best for them. All the rest are just proxies to rich corporations.

I never thought I would be so inclined but I must admit that I see real evil in GO and Cameron, and Corbyn now appears to be coming through as probably the only front-running politician I would vote for. Labour will probably hammer people for tax too but perhaps at least they will be honest about it. Damned either way we are - might be best to leave the country, but to where I do not know.

The Tories have most certainly lost my family's vote.

[Troll]

It's only fair ™