Reply to: 10 dead in Yet Another US Shooting....

[NotAllThere]

But it couldn't have happened if the puppy had been armed.

[TykeMerc]

Boy, 11, Reportedly Shoots Dead 8-Year-Old Neighbor After She Said He Couldn't See Her Puppy - Inside Edition

I've seen the story, it boggles the mind that a parent is so damn stupid to allow a child unsupervised access to a 12 bore and ammunition.

[greenlake]

Pastor on telly suggesting that the students should have been armed.

Boy, 11, Reportedly Shoots Dead 8-Year-Old Neighbor After She Said He Couldn't See Her Puppy - Inside Edition

[darmstadt]

[SpontaneousOrder]

Australia managed it.... 19 Years After Passing Strict Gun Control Laws, Here's What Happened in Australia - Mic

Managed what? The introduction of those gun controls had no effect on the homicide rate in Australia.

Violent crime & robber actually increased.

You seem to clearly prefer the fact a teenager can blame being on medication as an excuse for killing and maiming people rather than the teenager decided to do a bad act.

No - I certainly don't and have never implied so.
BUT... we are talking about the cause of these killings, and while people are quick to pin it on guns, they seem to ignore the fact that in the states there is a very real problem of over-medication and one that involves putting kids of psychotropic drugs linked to rage & psychopathy.

I could get hold of a gun relatively easily, given a week or so, here in the UK. Even easier when I was younger. So to suppose that banning the sale of firearms in a country containing millions of them already, bordering Mexico, will prevent psychotic teenagers from killing scores of people at a time is absurd.

However you can only stab a one or two people with a knife, broken bottle, etc but can kill and maim more people with a gun.

You obviously missed all of the school mass-stabbings in China recently.

[NotAllThere]

...That's bizarre.

Q.E.D.

[Flashman]

Total lunatics in the states. I've only ever been once (for professional reasons) and I'll never go again, regardless of the rate or gig on offer.

Australia managed it.... 19 Years After Passing Strict Gun Control Laws, Here's What Happened in Australia - Mic

Been a few times here. really wouldn't worry about it. The Americans being a practical people have their criminals live in ghetto's where they can shoot each other all the time and not bother the nice people. Its a bit like Manchester really.

[SueEllen]

Curious that you said 'transit' directly in response to my question specifically about airports.

Anyway, Have there been lots of mass shootings in parking lots?



So like Raoul Moat?
And the other two incidents in places with strict gun control?

I'm not sure how parity when it comes to random murders, between strict and loose gin control countries, say anything abut whether armed security should be present at places vulnerable to mass shootings.



You said that those places were specifically magnets for nutters. I think it's pretty safe to label a mass shooter of strangers as a nutter.

Anyway, almost ALL of them (the mass shooters in last few decades) were on SSRIs - which are well known to be linked to psychotic episodes in young people especially. Big pharma are in pulling govs strings though, of course.

There are lots of shootings in parking lots in the states. Most are a couple of people but there are plenty were more than 5 people are killed. As it mainly involves adults or those in gangs it's not particularly internationally newsworthy.

You seem to clearly prefer the fact a teenager can blame being on medication as an excuse for killing and maiming people rather than the teenager decided to do a bad act.

Well the UK does have a parallel with the States on teenage acts of violence - we have a lot of knife crime.

Teenagers will use any weapon they can get their hands on to kill or injury people for reasons that are illogical to most mature adults. However you can only stab a one or two people with a knife, broken bottle, etc but can kill and maim more people with a gun.

[Intel]

Total lunatics in the states. I've only ever been once (for professional reasons) and I'll never go again, regardless of the rate or gig on offer.

Australia managed it.... 19 Years After Passing Strict Gun Control Laws, Here's What Happened in Australia - Mic

[SpontaneousOrder]

yeah cuz teenage hormones and a 9mm are such a good mix.

Although, looking at the facts in the particular case, it looks as though the nutcase deliberately chose a gun-free campus. Much like the Batman killer who drove a log way out of his way to find a gun free cinema.

So it's likely in this particular case that it would have helped. No doubt if Chris Mintz had a pistol on him, he would have taken out the killer early on, instead of getting shot 5 times trying to tackle him.

I'd settle for armed, trained, security & a drilled students/faculty.

[vetran]

Pastor on telly suggesting that the students should have been armed.

yeah cuz teenage hormones and a 9mm are such a good mix.

[SpontaneousOrder]

No, it means that passengers using airports shouldn't be armed.

Well that would make the unarmed guard redundant.

But the correct response would have been:

I'm talking about the students - not the guard

Have you been taking lessons in logic and analysis from your creationist relatives?

That's bizarre.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Also notice I said transit not airports? Though I should have added in public spaces like streets and parking lots as well. The inside of airports are designed to make it hard to hide what you are doing.

Curious that you said 'transit' directly in response to my question specifically about airports.

Anyway, Have there been lots of mass shootings in parking lots?

Anyway this still means like in the incidents with Congress woman Gifford, outside Glasgow airport and on the Eurostar you are relying on people to tackle the assailant rather than waiting for help. You may be killed or maimed in doing so like on the Eurostar, but you will still be killed or maimed if you don't.

So like Raoul Moat?
And the other two incidents in places with strict gun control?

I'm not sure how parity when it comes to random murders, between strict and loose gin control countries, say anything abut whether armed security should be present at places vulnerable to mass shootings.

You can call people "nutters" but unless you know their medical records and are a psychiatrist you can't label someone as psychotic. Remember most killers go for the mental health angle to escape punishment or get a lesser punishment when in fact most of them are completely sane.

You said that those places were specifically magnets for nutters. I think it's pretty safe to label a mass shooter of strangers as a nutter.

Anyway, almost ALL of them (the mass shooters in last few decades) were on SSRIs - which are well known to be linked to psychotic episodes in young people especially. Big pharma are in pulling govs strings though, of course.

[TykeMerc]

NSFW video clip (swearing)

I was brought up with guns.
I held my own shotgun licence from the age of 13.
I was completely paying for mine and my fathers shooting as a teenager via shooting competition prize money.
I'm very experienced in the use of guns, including some of the really big ones that spit out feckloads of bullets very fast.
Many of the places I work at have guns on the premises and for the last decade at least have armed guards on the gates, hell at least one had anti aircraft installations on the roof.
I have VERY strong feelings when it comes to gun control.

All the above is true, but this Aussie bloke sums up how I feel about guns in the hands of the public:-

BE WARNED THIS BLOKE SWEARS A BIT (ok a f**kload), NOT SAFE FOR WORK

BE WARNED THIS BLOKE SWEARS A BIT (ok a f**kload), NOT SAFE FOR WORK

Ok, you need to watch it on Youtube directly due to the way it's restricted.

[NotAllThere]

Does that mean that we shouldn't have armed security at airports?

No, it means that passengers using airports shouldn't be armed.

The logic isn't terribly difficult, but let me spell it out for you. When I saw that there was only one (unarmed) security guard at the school, I expected someone somewhere to say that if the students had been armed, then this tragedy couldn't have happened.

There is nothing to suggest that I think it was correct that the guard should have not been armed. Have you been taking lessons in logic and analysis from your creationist relatives?