Reply to: One reason to vote Corbyn

[LondonManc]

Lumping socialism and communism together is pretty daft. As is claiming we've ever had a socialist government or that even Corbyn is that extreme as to want full socialism.
None of the developed nations are socialist, they're simply more left of centre than us and some of them seem to make it work.

The problem is that we live in a more controlled state than most, despite appearances. Lab and Con are both puppet parties controlled behind the scenes by the elite.

All infrastructure services - including energy and public transport - should be state run and not for profit. Get proper, well-paid professionals heading them up rather than civil servants. Society needs a good balance of capitalism and socialism. While both are sound political theories, they both make the sad assumption that everything else is a level playing field.

First thing I'd do is reverse the Beeching effect and get more railways up and running again, especially for freight, to reduce the number of HGVs clogging the motorways. Well, either that would be first or shutting the channel tunnel.

[d000hg]

Going back to Corbyn. When did socialism ever work? Every communist/socialist regime has been a disaster. Low performing economies and corruption.

Lumping socialism and communism together is pretty daft. As is claiming we've ever had a socialist government or that even Corbyn is that extreme as to want full socialism.
None of the developed nations are socialist, they're simply more left of centre than us and some of them seem to make it work.

[LondonManc]

Perhaps my hero Adolph (yes, he is still alive!) should run for leader of the Tories. Loonies in charge of all the major parties would make elections much more interesting.

PS Not sure who should lead the Lib Dems. Animal from the Muppets maybe.

Say what you like about Adolf, he was quite the public speaker; knew how to hold an audience, no question about that.

[Bacchus]

Perhaps my hero Adolph (yes, he is still alive!) should run for leader of the Tories. Loonies in charge of all the major parties would make elections much more interesting.

PS Not sure who should lead the Lib Dems. Animal from the Muppets maybe.

well you never see them together...

[DimPrawn]

Somewhat lefter polices worked because they have, or had anyway, homogenous societies. People feel happier to share with those with who they feel a bond, with whom they have a common culture. That historic advantage in Sweden will disappear given its current lax immigration policy.

^ This. Small population, with common culture and strong sense of identity and shared history.

Labour immigration has produced this instead. Have a look.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17185294

[BrilloPad]

I'm wishing some posters here make the move there soon.

I bet the suicide rate is higher in Swindon.

[DimPrawn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Sweden

I'm wishing some posters here make the move there soon.

[unixman]

There are some right Gorps posting in this thread.
Look, you judge people by what they do, not by what they say. And if some maniac says 'I will kill 6 million' then does it
That's not in fckng tegrity

Cobblers. Because TB was leader when we invaded Iraq does not make him responsible for every death, everywhere, forever. Not even every death in the Middle East, which has been at war with itself, in some form, for all of my life (I'm 47) and probably will be for a long time to come. You have a lot of rich dictators packed together, it is virtually guaranteed they will be eternally at war, with or without our interference.

It doesn't help that we feed them weapons daily. If you want to help the Middle East, maybe refuse any contracts in defense related industries. Or go back to your bogey man narrative, whatever's easiest.

[xoggoth]

Scandinavia IMHO is a more progressive unified and equal society

Somewhat lefter polices worked because they have, or had anyway, homogenous societies. People feel happier to share with those with who they feel a bond, with whom they have a common culture. That historic advantage in Sweden will disappear given its current lax immigration policy.

In fact much of that "strong socialist economy" may be a myth. Sweden had a strong economy because of an excellent work ethic but that has been declining since formation of the welfare state.

Is Sweden a False Utopia? | Newgeography.com

[DodgyAgent]

Whilst not technically socialist, Scandinavia IMHO is a more progressive unified and equal society. I know Norway has the oil, but Sweden doesn't, and it is a great country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Sweden

[PurpleGorilla]

Going back to Corbyn. When did socialism ever work? Every communist/socialist regime has been a disaster. Low performing economies and corruption.

Lefties always seem to think that this time it will be different, tell us that those failures were not real socialism/communism. In theory maybe not but in practice they are what leftist policies always deliver due to human nature. Most people place themselves/their family/their own communities above mankind in general. If the results of their efforts are handed out to those with whom they have no connections they see less point in trying. If the most able cannot further their own ends in a free economy they will seek to do so within the state apparatus and corrupt it to suit themselves

As for the "principled" Corbyn, take a look at this article:

I’ve lived under Jeremy Corbyn’s rule – it turned me into a Tory

Whilst not technically socialist, Scandinavia IMHO is a more progressive unified and equal society. I know Norway has the oil, but Sweden doesn't, and it is a great country.

[AtW]

Korbyn Dalles

He is here to save the country...

[EternalOptimist]

There are some right Gorps posting in this thread.
Look, you judge people by what they do, not by what they say. And if some maniac says 'I will kill 6 million' then does it
That's not in fckng tegrity


that's a lunatic

[xoggoth]

Perhaps my hero Adolph (yes, he is still alive!) should run for leader of the Tories. Loonies in charge of all the major parties would make elections much more interesting.

PS Not sure who should lead the Lib Dems. Animal from the Muppets maybe.

[darmstadt]

Turns Tories into Labour supporters as well... Tory caught signing up as Labour supporter wanted to expose vote 'farce' | Politics | The Guardian

I bet he had his little speech ready in advance as he knew he would be found out