Reply to: Summer Labour Punch and Judy show

[LondonManc]

As much as it's fun to see Labour crash and burn, we do need to have an effective opposition and I don't think we've had one, ironically, since Cameron was opposition leader.

Correct; you then either get the best out of the government of the day or watch them crumble and get voted out.

[minestrone]

'Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Corbyn

Paying tax is not a burden. It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society'


can you imagine getting a cup of coffee and the price was dependant upon your wealth. or subscribing to a newspaper and the subscription being dependant upon how much you could afford.

The amount of taxation on that spend is dependant on your wealth.

So yes, I can imagine that.

[d000hg]

It depends which meaning you take for the word "subscribe". Buying a coffee isn't a subscription, some berk was on here earlier today complaining about people misusing words...

[EternalOptimist]

'Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Corbyn

Paying tax is not a burden. It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society'


can you imagine getting a cup of coffee and the price was dependant upon your wealth. or subscribing to a newspaper and the subscription being dependant upon how much you could afford.

[minestrone]

So you agree with a hard-line Leftie?

Boom!

[d000hg]

Quite how you think such an old and failed ideology offers any sort of alternative that people will identify with I do not know. What labour should be doing is creating a society that if the state is going to intervene should do so effectively. For as long as they still see taxation as a punishment or penalty and welfare as a means of actually helping people they will remain on the sidelines of politics.

Paying tax is not a burden. It is the subscription we pay to live in a civilised society.

So you agree with a hard-line Leftie?

[minestrone]

Quite how you think such an old and failed ideology offers any sort of alternative that people will identify with I do not know. What labour should be doing is creating a society that if the state is going to intervene should do so effectively. For as long as they still see taxation as a punishment or penalty and welfare as a means of actually helping people they will remain on the sidelines of politics.

I tend not to engage people with inferior intellect in face to face discussion over the subject of politics, I see no reason to break that rule over the subject online.

[DodgyAgent]

In many ways I believe that Corbyn will be a positive for Labour, there needs to be an alternative view in opposition, Labour for 20 years has been about "focus groups outcomes" and pitching on what they think will get them elected.

Quite how you think such an old and failed ideology offers any sort of alternative that people will identify with I do not know. What labour should be doing is creating a society that if the state is going to intervene should do so effectively. For as long as they still see taxation as a punishment or penalty and welfare as a means of actually helping people they will remain on the sidelines of politics.

[minestrone]

In many ways I believe that Corbyn will be a positive for Labour, there needs to be an alternative view in opposition, Labour for 20 years has been about "focus groups outcomes" and pitching on what they think will get them elected.

[xoggoth]

And for those who have lived under a stone

Wish I did. Centipedes must be much happier not having to read all the depressing crap in the Newspapers every day.

[vetran]

Cons took champaigne socialist agenda, effectively they've become Nu Nu Liebor.

without running up the credit cards and whilst cutting benefits.

Now will Eric Pickles get caught shagging his researcher or 'doing an MF' on an egg thrower?

Will CMD be sharing his shower?

[d000hg]

Cons took champaigne socialist agenda, effectively they've become Nu Nu Liebor.

No they didn't. ConDem maybe, not the current government.

[AtW]

It seems only natural that as the government moves slightly further to the Right, Labour will move away from the Centre in the opposite direction.

Cons took champaigne socialist agenda, effectively they've become Nu Nu Liebor.

[d000hg]

It seems only natural that as the government moves slightly further to the Right, Labour will move away from the Centre in the opposite direction.

[AtW]

Vote for Corbyn!!!