Reply to: Mass debate

[Euler]

"This problem can never be completely solved, therefore we shouldn't try to solve it at all, and nor should we care if we make it worse." Is that what you're saying?

No it's not. Was your philosophy degree from some crappy poly? Because it certainly failed to teach you to think clearly.

[Zero Liability]

You obviously didnt listen then and had a closed mind.

Im not scottish and dont live in Scotland so have nothing to benefit from the SNP. But, I thought she gave the best account of all the party leaders. Milliband was very good and cameron just harked on to the past.

Or I just don't find her very credible. She did better than Miliband at appealing to the left of centre crowd and of course those who want to dissolve the Union. I have no problem with them leaving, but little she has said makes me think the SNP will handle the situation well after it hypothetically happened. Nonetheless, I wish them well in that on going endeavour.

She isn't going to win over anyone with much of an awareness of economics.

"This problem can never be completely solved, therefore we shouldn't try to solve it at all, and nor should we care if we make it worse." Is that what you're saying?

Or the proposed 'cure' is worse than the supposed illness.

The leaders aren't thick.

They just know how to use spin effectively so voters hear what they want to hear.

The larger parties have one big problem which is the leaders are men. They wouldn't look good on screen attacking a female leader of a smaller party on their policies so they have to leave it to the journalists to do....

Which is unfortunate if true. That said Sturgeon's party outnumbers the Lib Dems.

[NickFitz]

As for Cameroon, I get the feeling he was treating the whole thing as an unnecessary side show of no real value and, given it was one against six, he was never going to win any points so let's play the senior statesman card. A view with which I have some sympathy.

Trouble is, he'd need to be - or at least appear to be - a senior statesman to pull that off, and he very obviously isn't.

[NickFitz]

Poverty will always exist in every society.

"This problem can never be completely solved, therefore we shouldn't try to solve it at all, and nor should we care if we make it worse." Is that what you're saying?

[TykeMerc]

Least they are bloody going to vote thinking about voting if they actually bother is a different matter.

I'm working on the younger members of my family though it's much easier to convince those who live in a marginal that their vote counts.....

In the "safe" seats unless you support the incumbent then at best it's a tactical vote to register protest, in truth our democracy is a sham as a vast number of the votes cast can't make any difference.

[SueEllen]

Poverty will always exist in every society.
Here for example.
Sturgeon came across well to the simple-minded because her "arguments" consisted of the simple, platitudinous, cliched verbiage that simpletons like.
I'm not surprised you were taken in.
In particular she showed no appreciation of the fact that the NHS needs reform in the direction of the European private-public partnership model if it is to survive at all.
I find it amazing how some of our wannabe leaders are so thick.

The leaders aren't thick.

They just know how to use spin effectively so voters hear what they want to hear.

The larger parties have one big problem which is the leaders are men. They wouldn't look good on screen attacking a female leader of a smaller party on their policies so they have to leave it to the journalists to do....

[SueEllen]

ms#4 tells me most of her uni mates are going to vote green.

Least they are bloody going to vote.

I'm working on the younger members of my family though it's much easier to convince those who live in a marginal that their vote counts.....

[minestrone]

I did not watch it, I find Sturgeon's chat utterly cringing and twee.

And if she was dribbling on about poverty then that is laughable, she cut 140,000 college places to pay for the free tuition fees for the middle class children, they were often the starting point for working class kids to get to uni.

So now there are less working class kids at university in Scotland than in England.

Her headline grabbing policies that were there to buy the votes of the middle classes have only entrenched poverty in Scotland.

[Euler]

Most agreed that Sturgeon spoke common sense and came across well. The only ones who did not agree were the simple minded.

You have a double whammy issue, sadly: not only are you a simpleton but you're also a loon.

[malvolio]

In a word Poverty.

It's an utter disgrace such a wealthy country expects poverty to increase its hold on a greater number of Brits in the coming years. She challenged the others how this can happen in a country such as ours when so much in aid is being pumped out. And yet the other leaders shrugged off the matter. Clegg brushed on mental health, made some good points. And it was clear Cameron was a passenger throughout.

If you increase the nation's net wealth, poverty goes up in proportion. And while the overseas aid budget looks big (and I agree it's better spent at home anyway), it's a lot less than what they are aiming to cut from the welfare budget. So perhaps not all that significant in the greater scheme of things.

As for Cameroon, I get the feeling he was treating the whole thing as an unnecessary side show of no real value and, given it was one against six, he was never going to win any points so let's play the senior statesman card. A view with which I have some sympathy.

[BrilloPad]

Poverty will always exist in every society.
Here for example.
Sturgeon came across well to the simple-minded because her "arguments" consisted of the simple platitudinous cliched verbiage.
I'm not surprised you were taken in.

Most agreed that Sturgeon spoke common sense and came across well. The only ones who did not agree were the simple minded.

[Euler]

In a word Poverty.

It's an utter disgrace such a wealthy country expects poverty to increase its hold on a greater number of Brits in the coming years. She challenged the others how this can happen in a country such as ours when so much in aid is being pumped out. And yet the other leaders shrugged off the matter. Clegg brushed on mental health, made some good points. And it was clear Cameron was a passenger throughout.

Poverty will always exist in every society.
Here for example.
Sturgeon came across well to the simple-minded because her "arguments" consisted of the simple, platitudinous, cliched verbiage that simpletons like.
I'm not surprised you were taken in.
In particular she showed no appreciation of the fact that the NHS needs reform in the direction of the European private-public partnership model if it is to survive at all.
I find it amazing how some of our wannabe leaders are so thick.

[scooterscot]

What was it that Sturgeon said that was so impressive?

In a word Poverty.

It's an utter disgrace such a wealthy country expects poverty to increase its hold on a greater number of Brits in the coming years. She challenged the others how this can happen in a country such as ours when so much in aid is being pumped out. And yet the other leaders shrugged off the matter. Clegg brushed on mental health, made some good points. And it was clear Cameron was a passenger throughout.

[BrilloPad]

I'm watching these but I scarcely feel much more informed about these parties' policies, than I would by just watching interviews with Andrew Neil...

AndrewNeil is a twunt

[BolshieBastard]

I can't think of a more unappealing, damp squib, uninspiring no hoper with less charisma than a mannequin that I have ever seen, either in real life or on telly. He needs a foam-hand style capital L permanently ensconced on his forehead.

CAMERON.