Reply to: Lagoon Power

[pjclarke]

well that's good someone has noticed.

Seven years ago. Green thinking ahead of the curve again ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2QkkgNDV3Y

[vetran]

Who are 'they'?

Government gets it wrong on UK

well that's good someone has noticed.

[pjclarke]

don't try to reason with them, they think the muck thrown into the air in China or India doesn't exist.

Who are 'they'?

Government gets it wrong on UK

[pjclarke]

...meanwhile in the real world

For someone striving for a world driven by "renewables" your future looks bleak indeed.

Not so much, Think global, Act local ...



Elsewhere:

China Cut Its Coal Use 2.9 Percent Last Year, Will They Peak Even Before 2020? | ThinkProgress

[vetran]

...meanwhile in the real world



For someone striving for a world driven by "renewables" your future looks bleak indeed.

don't try to reason with them, they think the muck thrown into the air in China or India doesn't exist.

they don't understand the irony that we outsource our mucky manufacturing to them while patting ourselves on the back for being environmentally friendly

[BlasterBates]

Yeah, you said, just harmless water and CO2 Drax's move to biomass, the only firm plans so far announced are to convert three of it six plants, is largely to reduce its impact on the carbon cycle, which makes financial sense due to the Renweables Obligation scheme, even after shipping the stuff over the water, massive economies of scale mean the carbon footprint is about 80% of the equivalent coal.

...meanwhile in the real world



For someone striving for a world driven by "renewables" your future looks bleak indeed.

[pjclarke]

Our biomass plans | Drax
Have no fear Drax has taken on board the ideas from the "Green Loon" community and is now currently burning it's way through the Canadian forests.

Same stuff comes out though.

Yeah, you said, just harmless water and CO2 Drax's move to biomass, the only firm plans so far announced are to convert three of it six plants, is largely to reduce its impact on the carbon cycle, which makes financial sense due to the Renweables Obligation scheme, even after shipping the stuff over the water, massive economies of scale mean the carbon footprint is about 80% of the equivalent coal.

[BlasterBates]

Drax still burns several million tonnes of coal every year - it is the most modern plant in the country and yet it is ranked as the 7th in the league table of fossil fuel power stations most damaging to human health. According to it's own 2013 environmental assessment it emitted 20,319 KTonne of CO2, 31.7 KTonne Sulphur Dioxide, 39.2 KTonne Nitrogen Oxides and 0.8 KTonne Particulates.

http://www.drax.com/media/56551/Envi...eview-2013.pdf

http://www.env-health.org/IMG/pdf/he...k_finalpdf.pdf

Our biomass plans | Drax
Have no fear Drax has taken on board the ideas from the "Green Loon" community and is now currently burning it's way through the Canadian forests.

Same stuff comes out though.

[pjclarke]

The only crap that comes out is water vapour and CO2. The rest of "the crap" is disposed of.

Drax still burns several million tonnes of coal every year - it is the most modern plant in the country and yet it is ranked as the 7th in the league table of fossil fuel power stations most damaging to human health. According to it's own 2013 environmental assessment it emitted 20,319 KTonne of CO2, 31.7 KTonne Sulphur Dioxide, 39.2 KTonne Nitrogen Oxides and 0.8 KTonne Particulates.

http://www.drax.com/media/56551/Envi...eview-2013.pdf

http://www.env-health.org/IMG/pdf/he...k_finalpdf.pdf

HEAL's analysis focusing on the impacts in the UK follows a Europe-wide study in March, which found more than 18,000 deaths in the EU could be linked to coal power plants in 2009. This summer a study by the University of Stuttgart and Greenpeace found coal plants currently operating around Europe could have contributed towards 22,000 premature deaths in 2010.

[BlasterBates]

OK, so the greens can pay for their own stuff and you have to promise not to share any of the crap that comes out of coal power plants with them.

Doesn't really work that way...

Have you actually been to a coal fired power station?

The only crap that comes out is water vapour and CO2. The rest of "the crap" is disposed of.

There is no difference between what comes out of DRAX now as a "green" biomass plant than before when it was coal.

DRAX is a 20 minute drive from York, probably one of the cleanest cities in the UK.

[d000hg]

People who support green policies.

High time that the "green community" fund their own green projects.

I'm quite happy with coal fired stations. They're environmentally more friendly then contraptions that will end up as rusty white elephants.

OK, so the greens can pay for their own stuff and you have to promise not to share any of the crap that comes out of coal power plants with them.

Doesn't really work that way...

[BlasterBates]

And I'd be quite happy if coal paid it's way. One third of premature deaths related to air pollution is due to coal, around 1 million people worldwide annually. Indeed electricity from coal would double in price if the industry had to pay for all the externalities - damage to the environment and human health by particulates, N Oxides, Chromium and arsenic (and that excludes coal's contribution to AGW).


Apologies, I know facts aren't really your thing.

It may have escaoed your notice but we don't live in a third world country. I suggest you go and visit a coal fired power plant. I did spend several months working in one. Oh yes and the coal was dug up and transported locally, from a very clean mine. They use machinery you know not pick axes and shovels.

Most coal is mined using open cast mining using huge machines in first world countries such as Australia.

But lets not facts get in the way of your rather eloquent "green rant".

[DodgyAgent]

It could be funded by sacking all the scientists who spend so much time "investigating" climate change.
It is exactly the sort of thing we should be investing in.

[pjclarke]

People who support green policies.

High time that the "green community" fund their own green projects.

I'm quite happy with coal fired stations. They're environmentally more friendly then contraptions that will end up as rusty white elephants.

And I'd be quite happy if coal paid it's way. One third of premature deaths related to air pollution is due to coal, around 1 million people worldwide annually. Indeed electricity from coal would double in price if the industry had to pay for all the externalities - damage to the environment and human health by particulates, N Oxides, Chromium and arsenic (and that excludes coal's contribution to AGW).


Apologies, I know facts aren't really your thing.

[BlasterBates]

Who do you think should pay for our electricity?

People who support green policies.

High time that the "green community" fund their own green projects.

I'm quite happy with coal fired stations. They're environmentally more friendly then contraptions that will end up as rusty white elephants.