Mayor of Rotterdam on poverty, integration, immigration

[vetran]

I don't know why you keep saying Jordan is moderate when it's stated in many sources it's not.

Agree Katie Price can hardly described as moderate.

[SueEllen]

I don't know why you keep saying Jordan is moderate when it's stated in many sources it's not.

You seem to forget like the Telegraph, UK PLC has an agenda.

[xoggoth]

It's not a comparison, it is statement of fact

If you want to be pedantic, use of "a greater chance of" makes it a comparison. More to the point, it is a comparison of totally unrelated things.

If there was a significant rise in serious street crime, surely that would be a matter of genuine concern that our authorities should address, or would you simply dismiss it by saying, "You are less likely to be mugged than stung by a bee" ?

What other creed in recent decades, whether religious or political, has been responsible for so much violence and discrimination in so many countries against those who do not conform to its principles? Look at the way Christians are being driven from the Middle East. With all their paid advisors, do you think Prince Charles or the Archbishop of Canterbury would say things that are not true?

Of course, we still have a fairly small Muslim minority in Europe. Wait until it grows and you will see what life is actually like for others, especially those not of the "religions of the book". In "moderate" Jordan for example, recently feted for standing up to ISIS, atheists have a problem getting basic state documents. There is a catalogue of other inequalities in that "moderate" country too, check the US religious freedom reports.

And it is getting worse. Extreme Islamism is growing everywhere, even in in formerly moderate states like Indonesia:

Extremism Overpowering Indonesia
Radical Islam in Indonesia - Islamism - Terrorism in Indonesia | Indonesia Investments

[alluvial]

It's not a comparison, it is statement of fact.

I don't know what type of English comprehension lessons you were given in the oik school you went to but to clearly you were up the back of the class in the thick class.

I shall repeat it for you again, an English person in civvy street is more likely to die on a Scottish mountain than die at the hands of a Muslim extremist.

That is not a comparison oik boy.

An individual may have a greater chance of being killed on a Scottish mountain than by an extremist, but that is the fact that enables us all to go about our business in the world knowing that it is pretty unlikely that some chap with a machete is going to pop up and try to behead us.

However, what concerns most people is the chance of an act of terrorism being committed somewhere in our country that will result in the death of innocent people. The chance of that happening to someone else, is quiet likely to be significantly greater than falling off a Munro.

[NotAllThere]

Is that because of all the Scottish nationalist terrorists in the Cairngorms?

[minestrone]

Afraid it's you being irrational there M with a completely invalid comparison.

It's not a comparison, it is statement of fact.

I don't know what type of English comprehension lessons you were given in the oik school you went to but to clearly you were up the back of the class in the thick class.

I shall repeat it for you again, an English person in civvy street is more likely to die on a Scottish mountain than die at the hands of a Muslim extremist.

That is not a comparison oik boy.

[xoggoth]

If you are an English civilian you have a greater chance of being killed on a Scottish mountain than you do by the hands of a Muslim terrorist. Irrational?

Afraid it's you being irrational there M with a completely invalid comparison. The chances of dying while trying to walk across the Artic in the nude are even less. Not checked but think about 0 people have died of same in the last 50 years.

Was anyone seriously threatened with death over "The life of Brian" ? I don't think so. The point is that a significant number of prominent people in the West who have criticised the irrational bollux of Islam have been targeted or threatened. The recent terrorist attacks, Rushdie and many others are just those that grab the headlines. Some prominent bloggers and others have been threatened too, Heard of this case? Me neither.

Danish critic of Islam attacked by gunman | World news | The Guardian

They never make the headlines either but very many who do not toe the Islamic line in Islamic nations are at significant risk. Keep saying it but some of you need to wake up and check the facts. What we call democracy, equality and freedom does not exist in most of the Muslim majority nations of the world. Take a look at the US State department religion freedom reports:

International Religious Freedom Report for 2013

It is quite true that many Muslims want democracy and freedom but unfortunately that is rarely what they, or anyone else, gets in Muslim majority nations. Islam and Islamism are not separate things, the second springs from the first, they are part of a normal distribution of belief, a Muslim religion that is greatly slanted towards religious conservatism compared to Christianity and is moreover a political creed, not simply a religious one.

If we continue with this PC pretence and do not defend our own more rational values, the growth of Islam in the West will destroy centuries of progress. Our failure to tackle what threatens us is just an inverted racism. If we had the same threat from white Marxists or Nazis nobody would shrink from confronting them.

[FatLazyContractor]

Wish he teaches a thing or two to the mayor of Rotherham

[EternalOptimist]

[EternalOptimist]

It's like people who climb mountains say, 'hey, this is totally risk free. much safer than wandering into a coffee shop hostage situation'

[EternalOptimist]

It's like any English civilian out for a coffee and to meet friends might suddenly get taken hostage by a Scottish mountain

[EternalOptimist]

If you are an English civilian you have a greater chance of being killed on a Scottish mountain than you do by the hands of a Muslim terrorist.

Irrational?

I like this type of argument.

It's like the mountains get a hammer and a machete and set off looking for an English civilian. While the muslim terrorist is a passive object waiting for a hiker to fall down his crevasse

[minestrone]

Not an unreasonable or irrational point of view.

Mind you the guy has just painted a target on himself for less rational members of his religion to aim at.

If you are an English civilian you have a greater chance of being killed on a Scottish mountain than you do by the hands of a Muslim terrorist.

Irrational?

[TykeMerc]

Not an unreasonable or irrational point of view.

Mind you the guy has just painted a target on himself for less rational members of his religion to aim at.

[yetanotherbob]

Dutch Muslim Mayor to extremists: Accept norms or leave - CNN Video

"...I am a product of poverty myself. I cannot accept that poverty leads to terrorism. Poverty must lead to seeking of knowledge, to sciences, to better oneself, to climb on the social ladder...."
"...It's about investing in yourself first of all, and in doing so, you invest in society..."
"...A passport is not just a travel document but an identity...."
AND his final punchline:
"If you don't like it here because of some humourists who make a newspaper, get lost"