It has to be me - Contractor UK Bulletin Board

Visitors can check out the Forum FAQ by clicking this link. You have to register before you can post: click the REGISTER link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. View our Forum Privacy Policy.
Want to receive the latest contracting news and advice straight to your inbox? Sign up to the ContractorUK newsletter here. Every sign up will also be entered into a draw to WIN £100 Amazon vouchers!

You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

You are not logged in. If you are already registered, fill in the form below to log in, or follow the "Sign Up" link to register a new account.
You may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

suityou01 replied

24 February 2015, 17:04
Originally posted by vwdan View Post

Same with Linux, VMware, Citrix, NetApp and I'm sure a whole host of others! To be fair, I think we're all guilty of it too - everyone knows what you mean if you tell your colleagues "I'm doing [x] on VMware today", it just means nothing to anyone outside of that specific environment.

So Oracle it is then.
Leave a comment:
vwdan replied

24 February 2015, 17:00
Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

No!!!

A. What car do you drive?
B. Ford.
A. Ah, a Mondeo
B. No, a Fiesta

In our industry you have to learn to be specific...

A. Can you do Oracle?
B. Yes.
A. Good, I'll put you forward for this Java developer role working on Solaris
B. No, I only know Oracle Database on Linux

Specifics, specifics...

Same with Linux, VMware, Citrix, NetApp and I'm sure a whole host of others! To be fair, I think we're all guilty of it too - everyone knows what you mean if you tell your colleagues "I'm doing [x] on VMware today", it just means nothing to anyone outside of that specific environment.
Leave a comment:
stek replied

24 February 2015, 16:54
Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

Nope - Oracle Database version 7 (1992) came before they bought RDB from DEC (1994)

Oops! My bad...
Leave a comment:
TheFaQQer replied

24 February 2015, 16:18
Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

A. Can you do Oracle?
B. Yes.
A. Good, I'll put you forward for this Java developer role working on Solaris
B. No, I only know Oracle Database on Linux

If Andy Hallett sees this post, he'll have a job offer for you Seems to match many of the agents that work for that group, anyway.
Leave a comment:
suityou01 replied

24 February 2015, 16:12
Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

No!!!

A. What car do you drive?
B. Ford.
A. Ah, a Mondeo
B. No, a Fiesta

In our industry you have to learn to be specific...

A. Can you do Oracle?
B. Yes.
A. Good, I'll put you forward for this Java developer role working on Solaris
B. No, I only know Oracle Database on Linux

Specifics, specifics...

Tomato tomayto.

Then we're agreed.
Leave a comment:
darmstadt replied

24 February 2015, 16:07
Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

So as it is common parlance, we can say it is "called" Oracle then?

No!!!

A. What car do you drive?
B. Ford.
A. Ah, a Mondeo
B. No, a Fiesta

In our industry you have to learn to be specific...

A. Can you do Oracle?
B. Yes.
A. Good, I'll put you forward for this Java developer role working on Solaris
B. No, I only know Oracle Database on Linux

Specifics, specifics...
Leave a comment:
suityou01 replied

24 February 2015, 16:06
Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

Apart from you saying it was a product, yes.

Potato potarto
Leave a comment:
Pondlife replied

24 February 2015, 16:04
Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

So as it is common parlance, we can say it is "called" Oracle then?

Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

So I just asked a colleague. Here is a transcription of our conversation.

Suity : Are you a German beer expert?
Colleague : No. I'm German and I drink beer.

Suity : That'll do. If I went into a bar and asked for a "Helles" would the barman know what I mean, or ask "Helles what?"
Colleague : Helles what. For example Koelsch and Pils are both Helles. You just asked for "a light coloured beer". You didn't specify which one.

Suity : Ha! You just made an Englishmen very happy.
Colleague : <Looking confused and slighltly scared>Ok then.<Walks off>

Apparently not
Leave a comment:
TheFaQQer replied

24 February 2015, 16:03
Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

OK so to agree, Oracle is both a company and a platform then

Apart from you saying it was a product, yes.
Leave a comment:
suityou01 replied

24 February 2015, 15:58
Originally posted by darmstadt View Post

Well of course if you ask them which database platform they're running they'll reply just Oracle unless they just happen to be running MySQL which is also Oracle so then you would have to quantify it with exactly which Oracle database product...

A. which database product are you running?
B. Oracle.
A. Yes, but which Oracle DB product?
B. Oh sorry, Oracle Database.

So as it is common parlance, we can say it is "called" Oracle then?
Leave a comment:
darmstadt replied

24 February 2015, 15:57
Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

There is a difference between "database platform" and "product".

What's the product you are using? "Oracle database 12c".
What's the platform? "Oracle".

See the difference there?

Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

OK so to agree, Oracle is both a company and a platform then

I would slightly have to disagree as I don't think you can call Oracle the platform, rather the host OS would be the platform, IMHO...Oracle are the ISV providing the software
Leave a comment:
darmstadt replied

24 February 2015, 15:56
Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

Nope - Oracle Database version 7 (1992) came before they bought RDB from DEC (1994)

And I was using Oracle RDBMS Version 5 back in '88 on MVS
Leave a comment:
darmstadt replied

24 February 2015, 15:52
Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

All of them.

Here's a simple experiment. Find a company which uses any of those. Then ask them which database platform they are using.

I bet ye, 1 jam tart, they reply "Oracle" and not "Oracle Database".

Well of course if you ask them which database platform they're running they'll reply just Oracle unless they just happen to be running MySQL which is also Oracle so then you would have to quantify it with exactly which Oracle database product...

A. which database product are you running?
B. Oracle.
A. Yes, but which Oracle DB product?
B. Oh sorry, Oracle Database.
Leave a comment:
suityou01 replied

24 February 2015, 15:51
Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post

There is a difference between "database platform" and "product".

What's the product you are using? "Oracle database 12c".
What's the platform? "Oracle".

See the difference there?

OK so to agree, Oracle is both a company and a platform then
Leave a comment:
TheFaQQer replied

24 February 2015, 15:50
Originally posted by suityou01 View Post

All of them.

Here's a simple experiment. Find a company which uses any of those. Then ask them which database platform they are using.

I bet ye, 1 jam tart, they reply "Oracle" and not "Oracle Database".

There is a difference between "database platform" and "product".

What's the product you are using? "Oracle database 12c".
What's the platform? "Oracle".

See the difference there?
Leave a comment: