Reply to: Muslim kids ‘Pork or nothing’

[SueEllen]

Indeed. Of the 9 in my current team 6 are Hindi. All of them are wonderful - tolerant, easy to get on with, very hard working. And extremely intelligent and professional.

Then again, I can say that about all the Muslims I have worked with as well. Maybe Muslims need a better PR person?

Actually all the openly sexist men I've worked with have been Hindu. On the other hand the Pakistani Muslims have been lovely.

[SueEllen]

According to the reports in the Times concerning the abusing gangs, the majority of Muslims come originally from just two areas in Pakistan.

Muslims in the UK come from East Africa, West Africa and other countries in Asia not just Pakistan. Then again I went to school, college and university with some of them. (The few converts came from any background.)

[BrilloPad]

There is something in this. It is the British (and Hindu) culture of tolerance I suppose.

Indeed. Of the 9 in my current team 6 are Hindi. All of them are wonderful - tolerant, easy to get on with, very hard working. And extremely intelligent and professional.

Then again, I can say that about all the Muslims I have worked with as well. Maybe Muslims need a better PR person?

[NotAllThere]

According to the reports in the Times concerning the abusing gangs, the majority of Muslims come originally from just two areas in Pakistan.

[SueEllen]

Have you ever noticed that Hindis have no issue assimilating into the UK. But with Muslims there is always something wrong.

Hindus in Britain tend to originate from one place in the world* while Muslims come from many different places with many different cultures.

*Yes I'm aware that some come indirectly.

[Doggy Styles]

Sorry - I have been married too long. I was adopting the woman's trick of just posting random stuff - its very annoying isn't it?

Its the double standards that get me. The UK seems happy to let any immigrant come to the UK and tell the UK how to behave. But in other countries, people from the UK are expected to adhere to local laws and standards.

When in Rome do as the Romans do should be the standard.

Have you ever noticed that Hindis have no issue assimilating into the UK. But with Muslims there is always something wrong.

There is something in this. It is the British (and Hindu) culture of tolerance I suppose.

[BrilloPad]

Can't see how that question has any relevance to what I or SO said. Care to explain?

Or are you suggesting we should take petty revenge on all Muslims here for what Islamic countries do? We need to come out of the dream world about Islam, tackle Islamism and stop any more migration to the west until it moderates. However, it is counterproductive to hit out at ordinary Muslims for what are relatively harmless beliefs. That sort of thing just increases extremism.

Sorry - I have been married too long. I was adopting the woman's trick of just posting random stuff - its very annoying isn't it?

Its the double standards that get me. The UK seems happy to let any immigrant come to the UK and tell the UK how to behave. But in other countries, people from the UK are expected to adhere to local laws and standards.

When in Rome do as the Romans do should be the standard.

Have you ever noticed that Hindis have no issue assimilating into the UK. But with Muslims there is always something wrong.

[xoggoth]

So how would you describe SAudi in their treatment of Christians?

Can't see how that question has any relevance to what I or SO said. Care to explain?

Or are you suggesting we should take petty revenge on all Muslims here for what Islamic countries do? We need to come out of the dream world about Islam, tackle Islamism and stop any more migration to the west until it moderates. However, it is counterproductive to hit out at ordinary Muslims for what are relatively harmless beliefs. That sort of thing just increases extremism.

[Doggy Styles]

So how would you describe SAudi in their treatment of Christians?

Saudi isn't secular.

[NotAllThere]

As France is a Christian country I don't see why they should...

France is an extremely secular country.

It's not tradition or law though, is it. 'Pork or nothing' is just spitefulness.

Isn't that just the headline?

But the nothing in this case is "no meat". One meal is provided to school kids; no choice. Your kid either eats what the school provides or you make alternative arrangements. Children of vegetarians (or those who are vegetarian) aren't being offered alternatives. Presumably if they serve pork on Friday all the Catholic kids will go hungry?

[BrilloPad]

It's not tradition or law though, is it. 'Pork or nothing' is just spitefulness.

Quite. Secularism is the principle of separation of religion and state, it does not mean banning all personal choice based on religion, provided it is harmless and not imposed on others. Not as if there is some huge extra costs involved here either.

So how would you describe SAudi in their treatment of Christians?

[xoggoth]

It's not tradition or law though, is it. 'Pork or nothing' is just spitefulness.

Quite. Secularism is the principle of separation of religion and state, it does not mean banning all personal choice based on religion, provided it is harmless and not imposed on others. Not as if there is some huge extra costs involved here either.

[SpontaneousOrder]

How can this be considered prejudiced? I have strong objections to halal meat however, when I go to Muslim countries I can't object and insist on non-halal nor can I insist on eating pork. I have to accept the traditions and laws of the host country therefore so should Muslims.

It's not tradition or law though, is it. 'Pork or nothing' is just spitefulness.

[Paddy]

If it really is 'Pork or nothing' as opposed to 'non-Halal meat or nothing', then I think it's pretty prejudiced but then that's France for you. However, some of the responses from long-established members on here and you wonder why some of the Muslims don't want to integrate with such folk.

How can this be considered prejudiced? I have strong objections to halal meat however, when I go to Muslim countries I can't object and insist on non-halal nor can I insist on eating pork. I have to accept the traditions and laws of the host country therefore so should Muslims.

[NotAllThere]

I worked with a Muslim guy who would never eat pork, beef or lamb in a resturant. He didn't drink any alcohol. But that was the extent of his adherence. He would eat chicken, oysters and fish quite happily.