Reply to: Scotland should set its own income tax?

[minestrone]

I would be quite happy with getting rid of both the European Parliament and the Scottish Government. I see no purpose to either.

You make your own way in the world, the SNP are offering people who cannot do that something that cannot be delivered. Politics will not make people happy, the free market will.

[Zero Liability]

Well I agree. The people were presented with the facts, given a vote and opted to stay within the UK. Simple.

You just cannot accept the it that the majority of the population of Scotland DISAGREED WITH YOU.

Which is why you resort to crap about "quislings", Project Fear" and assuming that "NO" voters where either scared, stupid or hoodwinked without letting the possibility enter your mind that actually an awful lot of Scots WANT to be part of the UK and are proud of being part of the UK.

The people spoke and they didn't agree with you.

Bear in mind, though, it was a win that came off the back of promises of further devolution. So it is a tentative "yes". Also, I think the "no" campaign fudged up on the economics of it, as they couldn't really put forward a coherent vision of what would come next in regards to the currency, which no doubt put off many voters. Plus the rather childish threats of retribution against companies that were warning that they'd pull out of Scotland. This stuff isn't indicative of a forward thinking government, and is a sign that the government would be more than willing to turn doing business into a political matter. I think there's already far too much of that, and we don't need more of it. If I were Scottish, I'd have voted for independence.

I can only hope that UKIP learn from the "yes" campaign's downfall.

[tomtomagain]

Undoubtedly, some people voted no because they clearly wanted to stay part of the UK, but there were also plenty who believed ramblings of Brown and Darling, the 'vow', the lies, the media spin etc. probably more than enough in the latter camp to have swung the outcome to 'Yes'.

Undoubtedly, some people voted YES because they clearly wanted to leave the UK, but there were also plenty who believed the ramblings of Salmond and Sturgeon, the 'promises', the lies, the well-oiled spin machine etc. ....


See how well your argument works? It doesn't. Arguments were made. Votes were cast. Decision made.

And the reality is that "YES" have never been ahead in 300 years of Union. And if you can't win coming out of the back of the worst recession in one hundred years, with oil at a high price and with a Tory government in Westminster then you never will.

[SussexSeagull]

Personally I would make them sign up to contribute towards UK expenses (Defence, Foreign Policy and International Development, etc.) let them keep CT for Scottish companies (but not vary the rate) and let them decide about Income Tax and VAT.

See how keen they all are on free prescriptions and university when they see their wage slips.

[minestrone]

Undoubtedly, some people voted no because they clearly wanted to stay part of the UK, but there were also plenty who believed ramblings of Brown and Darling, the 'vow', the lies, the media spin etc. probably more than enough in the latter camp to have swung the outcome to 'Yes'.

At the end of the day people voted not to join you in your kilted, folk song singing, socialist fantasy. Get fookin' over it.

I used to think the English at world cups were the highest level of bad losers, you lot are in a different planetary orbit compared to them.

[TestMangler]

Well I agree. The people were presented with the facts, given a vote and opted to stay within the UK. Simple.

You just cannot accept the it that the majority of the population of Scotland DISAGREED WITH YOU.

Which is why you resort to crap about "quislings", Project Fear" and assuming that "NO" voters where either scared, stupid or hoodwinked without letting the possibility enter your mind that actually an awful lot of Scots WANT to be part of the UK and are proud of being part of the UK.

The people spoke and they didn't agree with you.

Undoubtedly, some people voted no because they clearly wanted to stay part of the UK, but there were also plenty who believed ramblings of Brown and Darling, the 'vow', the lies, the media spin etc. probably more than enough in the latter camp to have swung the outcome to 'Yes'.

[vetran]

It's democratic if people aren't happy with the status quo or how Westminster is treating them to want to change things. We only needed 200,000 to switch to a Yes to get Independence and there's plenty of people who were scared by project Fear into voting No who have said they will vote Yes next time.

"Better Together" didn't take long to dissolve into a squabble of ferrets fighting in a sack whilst the Yes campaign have continued to grow in strength. England is being pulled to the right with big corporations calling the shots but Scotland is still very much to the left.

The Scottish Government of the day will decide the question on the ballot paper with the agreement of the electoral commission, just as it was in September.

The better together campaign have disbanded having WON, the Yes campaign are still moaning into their beer.

[tomtomagain]

It's democratic if people aren't happy with the status quo or how Westminster is treating them to want to change things.

Well I agree. The people were presented with the facts, given a vote and opted to stay within the UK. Simple.

You just cannot accept the it that the majority of the population of Scotland DISAGREED WITH YOU.

Which is why you resort to crap about "quislings", Project Fear" and assuming that "NO" voters where either scared, stupid or hoodwinked without letting the possibility enter your mind that actually an awful lot of Scots WANT to be part of the UK and are proud of being part of the UK.

The people spoke and they didn't agree with you.

[Zero Liability]

Buy you personally, cannot print the money. That's why you are in the state you're in.

Who the fuck are you to post about economics when you don't know you're evading tax ?

Retrospectively changing the law isn't economics.

[TestMangler]

You have one of the most pathetic internet hard man routines I have seen for quite some time.

Is it down there with your bitcoin portfolio ?

[minestrone]

Maybe your lot could put a penny on pearly jackets and bitter, you <mod edit> racist <mod edit>], to help you pay the taxes you owe.

You have one of the most pathetic internet hard man routines I have seen for quite some time.

[JRCT]

One (of many) things that was never addressed during the referendum debate was the fact that all contracts between oil producers (Shell, BP etc, etc) are with the UK Government. Even though most oil fields are in Scottish waters, they are of course UK waters, so this makes sense.

If Scotland had become independent then all of these contracts would have to be rewritten from scratch and I'm sure that anyone on here that has seen someone going from brolly to Ltd would concur that this is a complicated process and if you're the one requesting the change you are not the one holding all of the cards.

This was highlighted in an episode of Question Time and it was very frustratingly ignored by both sides of the debate.

[Batcher]

Anyways, Salmond was spouting pish about making 100 quid a barrel on oil. It is going to hit 60 dollars soon and 1/4 of north sea oil will be shut down.

Sturgeon was spouting pish about needing independence to protect NHS spending and since the referendum has made a commitment to raise its spending over the next 5 years.

Idiots and liars.

Yeah, being an oil producer sure is a burden.

Quisling.

[minestrone]

Anyways, Salmond was spouting pish about making 100 quid a barrel on oil. It is going to hit 60 dollars soon and 1/4 of north sea oil will be shut down.

Sturgeon was spouting pish about needing independence to protect NHS spending and since the referendum has made a commitment to raise its spending over the next 5 years.

Idiots and liars.

[TestMangler]

We can just print the money you know.

Just remember that the English are just ******* racist *****. You have been conquered by ******* racist *****.

HTH BISDI.

Buy you personally, cannot print the money. That's why you are in the state you're in.

Who the <mod edit> are you to post about economics when you don't know you're evading tax ?